tw1976
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Hello, Tom here. I have a massey 245 with a problem, that's why I have joined this site.
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thepumpguysc
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hahaha.. its a secret..
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Ok, we had a very snowy winter, my (1978?) 245 was perfect all winter. Come Spring it was time to fill all the pot holes in my 500 ft long gravel driveway with fresh gravel. It has a frontend loader and doing the gravel was going great. So I'm on my 3rd or 4th bucket of gravel, idling so as not to slosh gravel out, in 1st gear/high, feet on running boards, not shifting, breaking, turning, just idling straight down the driveway, suddenly a big "THUNK" sound and immediately the back tires lock, bringing the tractor to a dead stop, killing the engine. I push in the clutch and start it right back up and, still in 1st/high, let out the clutch slowly and engine bogs down but no movement whatsoever. I try reverse, nothing. I try all the gears high and low, nothing. I put it in neutral and start to get off to look around, leaving it running, but when I start letting off the clutch it bogs the engine just the same as in all the gears. I turn it off, get off the tractor and look around and notice the skid marks in the gravel from the back tires are identical, about 8 inches long and beginning and ending identically. So I got my son with my pickup and a chain to see if pulling it back a bit might free up whatever is jamming it. We hook up and I get on tractor, start it, push in the clutch and my son pulls gently with the truck. It rolled just fine with the clutch in so we moved it off to the side of the driveway. BUT still if you try to let out the clutch and drive it normally it will not move at all in any gear or even neutral. It will only roll if you hold the clutch down, backwards anyway, I haven't tried to roll it forward. I jacked up the rear end and both tires spin: one in neutral, both in opposite directions when in gear, no funny noises or anything. I live out here in apple country in WA state. There are farmers and tractor folks all around me. Have talked to several tractor savvy people since this happened, all are scratching there heads. Help!
dieselscout80
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With both rear tires turning free It might be that your transmission slipped into two gears due to a worn gearshift right.
Pull the top cover off of the transmission and move all the shift forks to neutral.
Then select one gear and try driving the tractor.
Pull the top cover off of the transmission and move all the shift forks to neutral.
Then select one gear and try driving the tractor.
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I have opened the hydraulic port and can see things shifting and all slots line up. When in neutral I can stick a screwdriver down there and all those gears spin easy and free. Is any of that related to what you are referring to? And what does removing top cover involve. I see about 4 bolts but it looks like there are probably more behind some other stuff I'll have to take off. This is my first tractor and I'm in the dark here but very willing to be enlightened.
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It definitely sounds like “stacked gears”. I know it’s on a MF, but On older international and farmall tractors they were bad about doing it so one of the people you know might be able to show you better than I can explain. If it’s not that, I would look at the parts break down for bearings that locked up or shafts that could have separated between the clutch and transmission gears since the back wheels will turn with it off the ground and you should pull it backwards with a truck. If it was a rear end problem you shouldn’t be able to spin the wheels or tow the tractor
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Hi Tom. Welcome to the forum! :tractor: :welcome:
I'm going to move this thread over to our Massey section.
I'm going to move this thread over to our Massey section.
dieselscout80
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Well it sounds like you have verified that the gears are free so I think that would eliminate what I was thinking.
Nothing hooked to PTO, and PTO works fine. Thank you everyone for your input. Sorry I can't get here often. I'm on a job that's taking all my time and energy. I won't be able to begin work on tractor until this job is over, maybe in two weeks. Trying to get a head start on finding out what's wrong with my MF 245. If I'm going to tear into this thing I want to go in at the right place.
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If it was stuck in two gears you wouldn't be able to move the tractor as the transmission would then be locked up. Do you have the multi power transmission? 12 speeds forward and four reverse. 8 speeds forward and 2 reverse is the regular transmission
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I've read through the thread several times and I'm scratching my head too. I have an I&T service manual pdf and I looked through it, I looked through the parts manuals online (AGCO Parts Books) and I can't picture anything that would lead to the symptoms you describe.
To review: It won't move in any gear forward or reverse under power. Trying this starts to stall the engine. The motor will idle clutch out in neutral. If you hold the clutch in the tractor can be towed in reverse. Forward we don't know.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's something in the planetary gear set but honestly I don't know. I'd love to have a peek at it though. I just live a bit too far away.
To review: It won't move in any gear forward or reverse under power. Trying this starts to stall the engine. The motor will idle clutch out in neutral. If you hold the clutch in the tractor can be towed in reverse. Forward we don't know.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that it's something in the planetary gear set but honestly I don't know. I'd love to have a peek at it though. I just live a bit too far away.
