MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move

   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move #11  
Re: runs, will not move

I'm reaching here. Is there a presence switch in the seat that hast to be hot to move. Years ago I drove a bobcat skid steer where you could start and work the hydraulics remotely, but it would not move until you got inside
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move
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#12  
Re: runs, will not move

hello,
I am not sure if there is a safety switch for the seat as ever since I have owned the backhoe I had to use the safety switch override button. I am amusing this is because there is a safety switch somewhere that is being activated. The person I bought it from never told me the problem so in order to start and operate the back hoe I pushed in the big red safety switch override button. Maybe the override button is bad even if someone had told me it is ok, maybe they didn't understand how it should work. This seems to me to be the only thing that might need to be looked at again. BUT, it doesn't fix the original problem I guess. How do I know where all the safety switches are? I bet there are a lot of them. This is so frustrating.
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move #13  
Re: runs, will not move

I have no help for you except to let you know that adding your model, MF 60 H backhoe, in the title would help bring more traffic to this thread. Since I have a L2800, I read ALL threads about it. You kind of need someone who runs a MF 60 H backhoe (not too common on this board). I would suggest posting this in the TBN Construction Equipment Section

Also, every dumb reply like this one, "bumps" the thread back to the top so hopefully, someone with a MF 60 H backhoe might see it.
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move
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#14  
Re: runs, will not move

Thanks, I will try to figure out how to rename this.
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move #15  
I don't know if this will help, but may help you find things on it. This is a link to AGCOPartsBook AGCO Parts Books Enter as a guest user, by clicking on the view books, beside "guest user." Enter your model number in the appropriate box, then select Massey Ferguson to the right, then search. It shows 3 different versions of the 60H. I was actually surprised they have an industrial machine, in what I thought was strictly the AG. parts site. Thought I'd try, just in case, and sure enough, there it is.

Hopefully it will help you figure out, what parts are what, and at least you have some part numbers to work with.
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move #16  
As to why both sides of a device could be hot, that is sometimes done when they want a ground to activate a circuit (pretty common on safety circuits, it simplifies the logic and makes a short fail "safe" rather than "still running"). If both sides are the same (hot), it is off. Ground out one side, and now the device operates (and sometimes operates to kill some function of the machine).

The fly in the ointment with this setup is that failing safe for a short means that a short to ground anywhere in the circuit can kill it. Since you already know that you have a safety fault, try tracing any of those switch wires and look for pinch points, out of position, frayed insulation, rubbing where they go through fenders/instrument panels/firewalls/brackets, etc.

Also, since a bunch of these systems run on a reverse (machine is active when the switch is off) logic, this means that an unplugged switch does not complete a circuit. but a jumpered one does. Look for any switch (or plug-in point) where a switch is wired across, a jumpered socket, patch wire, or wires at some random access point near seats or attachments where wires that look like they should go to something are twisted/soldered/crimp connectored together. The more of this stuff that is restored to original logic and not bypassed the closer you will be to the original logic of operation no matter if it is ground-to-make-machine-safe or complete-live-voltage-circuit-to-make-machine-safe. Use a multimeter on an existing "working" switch and see if it completes or opens a circuit when the function is "unsafe" (like releasing a button when a weight is removed from a seat might complete a circuit to ground out a relay or the ignition). See if you can deduce the general safety loop logic (power is "safe" vs. ground is "safe") from that.
 
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#17  
wow, lots of Japanese going on here but it actually makes sense. This backhoe also has a lot of rust so a bad ground, not letting the safe function ground out could be something for me to look at also. I will be doing some testing looking at all you have mentioned, thank you very much for this info.
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move #18  
What year is your hoe.
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move
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I am not sure what year this 60H is but I was told it might be around 1989
 
   / MF 60 H backhoe runs, will not move #20  
I owned a 1981 MF 60 hoe in the past. I'm assuming yours is a little newer, here's a picture of the one I had. It didn't have to many electronics on it, especially "solenoids" . I also never heard of an "override" button. Usually the large red button you described is a safety feature to "kill' the hoe, usually shutting off the injection pump solenoid. Pushing it in should kill the machine, pulling it out should let it start. Could be the wires were wired in wrong, I don't know. Where are these "hot" solenoids you described located?
It does sound like an electrical issue to me as well.

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