Mini Cooper opinions?

   / Mini Cooper opinions? #31  
i know nothing about anything, and my goal in life is to know less....seems like its a burden to know something...kinda like my grandad said, if you don't want to do something for the rest of your life, don't do it the first time...i take it a little further and try not to know HOW to do that something...so i rely on cr or other places i consider fair and balanced..especially when they rate toyota cars so high, and i have personal experience with toyotas that agrees.
heehaw
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #32  
Phil, I'm one of those who has no confidence in Consumer Reports, and I can tell you why. They rate or rank the products they test, and some people may make the mistake of looking only at that rating without reading the entire report, so they think one product is "better" than another. Well, those tests are done by humans who have their own prejudices and preferences, just as we all do. So the things that they consider important may, or may not, be things that you consider important.

Many years ago, I was a subscriber, and I was one of those who received questionnaires, which I answered. I'll give you two examples from over 20 years ago:

I bought a new 1982 Isuzu I-Mark diesel sedan, and later received and responded to the quesionnaire Consumer Reports sent. When they published their article and ranking, they compared the diesel Isuzu to a gasoline powered Toyota and a gasoline powered compact Oldsmobile (I've forgotten the exact models). They "ranked" the Toyota first, the Olds second, and the Isuzu last (have they ever ranked any motor vehicle above a Toyota? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif). So to start with, they were comparing apples to oranges. Now if you read the entire report, in the very first paragraph the author admitted that he did NOT like diesel automobiles "unless it said Mercedes on it." And in reading the entire report, the only criticism of the Isuzu was that it was awkard to get in and out of the back seat. And if you read the results of their survey of owners, the Isuzu owners were the most satisfied and had the fewest maintenance and repair problems. Unbiased report? Hardly.

Another of their "comparisons" was of walk behind lawnmowers of several brands, including Lawnboy. The Lawnboy had a 2-stroke engine and the others had 4-stroke engines. In their ranking, the Lawnboy came in very low because it didn't have the power of the 4-stroke Briggs powered machines in tall grass. I'll certainly concede that point, but I didn't let my lawn get knee deep before mowing, so that was not a consideration for me. I bought a used 2-stroke self-propelled Lawnboy that I used for over 15 years before retiring, selling the house, and going to full time RVing, at which time the mower still worked like new when I gave it away. One of my employees used his for over 25 years, and the next door neighbor had his for many years. The 2-stroke Lawnboy was the most reliable, longest lasting lawnmower I've ever known of, but I wouldn't recommend it for mowing your pasture. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

So . . ., certainly nothing wrong with considering what Consumer Reports says, but you need to carefully read the entire report, consider what features are important to you, and remember that you're still just getting the author's opinion.
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #33  
Looks like several of us were typing, replying to Phil, at the same time. I was just slower than some of you. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #34  
Boondox,

I assume this is a BMW "Certified" used car... With the added warranty. Buy it if you like it... In the end it doesn't matter what we all think. If this is what makes you wife happy then it's worth double the cost....

My wife drives a 3.0 liter BMW Z3... We've had it for 3 years without a problem and she loves it. As for me I can't get in it until the top is down..

It's her baby and it makes her happy, and that makes me happy....

Regards,
Chris
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #35  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Essentially you are saying that those of us that rely on user forums for information regarding future purchases are unable to separate the wheat from the chaff. )</font>
Nope never said that. You have been coming here for nigh on 2 years and are an active poster. You have invested time to figure out which of the posters you trust and those you can ignore. You, yourself have separated the wheat from the chaff.
But what about the newbie? Does a search finds this forum and starts reading. How is he to know? For instance there is a poster who hates MTD. Spouts off all the time. Even spouts wrong info like they own Toro and therefore all Toro's are junk. There is a current thread in the lawn forum about MTD. How does a newbie know who is posting and whether their info is good and reliable? They must either devote lots of time or they just put the TBN info into their arsenal of decision making tools. I happen to put CR in my arsenal.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Statistics are easily manipulated )</font> This one I know. My favorite quote from school "Figures don't lie - liars figure." But CR is at least offering enough figures to make a statistically significant conclusion. If they don't have enough responses they tell you so. Again it becomes one more tool to utilize.

I am by know means knocking TBN. I find this place invaluable. And for more than just tractor info. I have sought and received help on such diverse topics as maple sugaring, a wood cookstove and my furnance. In fact I posted here before buying my latest truck. I also used CR for that. Got a Dakota Quad cab with (as CR noted) an exceptionally stiff ride and lousy gas mileage. But an acceptable truck for our intended use.

So I do not discount TBN and other sources. But nor do I dismiss CR out of hand. I find it to useful. They often think of things I never would have. Like the increased likelihood of a lawn tractor tipping backwards when the baggers are filled with grass. The weight out back moves the center of gravity. When I brought my first garden tractor I would have never even thought of this. One more valuable piece of info.

Phil
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #36  
Pete:

Here is a small diesel car built for two.

2005 Smart Fortwo

Egon
 
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   / Mini Cooper opinions? #37  
If I wasn't so "Maxi" I would love to have a "Mini" Cooper S. We see a bunch of them around Watkins Glenn... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #38  
<font color="blue"> But what about the newbie? Does a search finds this forum and starts reading. How is he to know? </font>

By spending a little time researching, by going through old threads, etc. TBN in particular makes this easy. This is exactly what I did when we bought our property and needed to become informed on tractors and such. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I also did the same thing recently when my wife decided she would like to buy a diesel VW bug. Her sister's husband drives one, and he used to rebuild injection pumps and injectors for a living, so that in itself was a pretty good recommendation. I scoured the auto forums and usenet. It soon became clear there were serious issues with VW build quality and buying one would become a crap shoot. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

We passed. No CR needed. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #39  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I scoured the auto forums and usenet. It soon became clear there were serious issues with VW build quality )</font>

I gleaned the same info in 5 minutes whilst perusing CR's Annual Auto issue in the bathroo... err in the "library" /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Phil
 
   / Mini Cooper opinions? #40  
I do what many do in reading CR, but it's just one of the tools in my aresenal of information gathering. But, I also think we tend to over inform ourselves these days. Where cars are concerned especially, there really are no "bad" cars anymore, they don't survive the marketplace. Too much information gets out too quickly, and they're gone. If you like the Mini, buy the newest best one you can from a good reputable dealer, and just enjoy it!
BTW, my understanding was that most of the complaints on the new Mini had to do with the cupholders, not the car itself!
 

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