Missing 777

   / Missing 777 #101  
Read today where the pilots wife and kids moved out the day before "the" flight.
Moved out as in moved away from the area in which they were living? That is interesting. Suppose the pilot was part of the plot and he was in an agreement to fly the plane somewhere then leave it, fleeing with his family and some money perhaps?

I am just throwing ideas around, pure speculation, but who knows - could be true.

I will be keeping my eyes peeled on the news, that's for sure.
 
   / Missing 777 #102  
Maybe pilot was distraught because wife moved out and left him the day before?
 
   / Missing 777 #103  
****** is claiming that Iran is behind this and that they have increased air security and the range they are requiring aircraft to identify themselves coming into their airspace.

Australia is claiming that the plane was flying at 5,000 feet to avoid radar detection. Which brings me back to why nobody noticed it. Who thinks twice about a plane flying overhead almost a mile up in the sky? Especially when it's very early in the morning and dark outside?

The longer nobody finds anything in the ocean, the more likely it becomes that the plane landed somewhere.

Eddie
 
   / Missing 777 #104  
Must be the ex cop in me. But I just heard this.. The plane went to 45K feet, then went down to 24k feet. I speculate the best way to kill off the passengers would be to climb to that altitude and DE-pressurize the cabin, they would be dead in less than 10 minutes.

And dont tell me this info is new to them, they knew all this when it occured, they are leaking it slowley for some reason???

Exactly. What was it, 5 days of searching for wreckage and then the scoop (or leak) about the manufacturers engine tracking (ooops, we forgot about that), then the denials and contradictions (no we can't do that), as they tried to get their stories straight and the jig was up on the crash scenario. "Oh, by the way, we can track the engines and they pinged for hours after it went missing", Huh, how 'bout that. Why didn't anybody think of that before?" (Yeah right!!)
Has anybody explained this gap of looking for a crash east of Malaysia, then knowing it flew west?
If you think they didn't know about that as they were spinning the crash search scenario, I got a bridge to sell you.)
 
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   / Missing 777 #105  
i agree. why go silent and then fly 4-6 hours before crashing?




Anything is possible, but why go through the trouble of turning everything off that records what's happening and that tracks their location if you are going to crash it into the ocean?

Here is a map of runways big enough to land the 777

View attachment 365552

I never thought about the possibility that the goal was to steal something being carried on the plane. Wonder if that's the real reason the Chinese are so upset?

Eddie
 
   / Missing 777 #106  
Has anyone checked to see if any of the postulated flight paths intersect with any known pallet formations?

(Sorry)

- Jay
 
   / Missing 777 #107  
Has anyone checked to see if any of the postulated flight paths intersect with any known pallet formations?

(Sorry)

- Jay

Bad Dog!.. bad bad dog!
 
   / Missing 777 #109  
Additional speculation about how the missing 777 could have avoided radar detection and landed north of India and Afghanistan: Keith Ledgerwood.

Steve
that sounds very reasonable. ( not being knowledgable about the systems or flying):D

this type of Scenario was used in fiction about forty years ago.

The home flight simulator may have aided in preparing routes through the various mountain regions and their valleys. I was able to watch one such simulation on the flight simulator approach to An airport in Tibet.:D

Supposedly there are some Chinese technical people aboard??
 
   / Missing 777 #110  
anyof them nuke scientists?
 
   / Missing 777 #113  
1. It was definitely hijacked or pirated.
2. Somebody who knew about how to evade radar was flying it, at least for some of the flight.
3. They also knew that our regular satellites don't track aircraft at night very well, which is probably why they did it at night.
4. That somebody should also have known the fuel limit of 5 hours at low altitude vs 8 hours at 30,000 feet, and planned accordingly. They could go farther if they dumped the passengers and baggage out.
5. They took the plane up to 42,000 feet at one point, which is the highest it can go. No idea why, but if they depressurized the passenger compartment anywhere over 10,000 feet for a while, the passengers will all be dead and no threat to the hijackers.
6. It either landed at some airfield, landed in the water, crashed in the ocean, or crashed in some jungle. If it crashed, we'd have found it already.

45% chance the terrorists have it hidden. 45% chance they landed in the ocean and it sank. 10% chance it crashed somewhere. Every nation on the planet has a good reason to want to know where this thing is, or confirm it's crashed or sunk. The fact that nobody has said it crashed or sank may mean they know it was successfully taken and we might be seeing it used as a weapon delivery platform in the near future.

If I were a Muslim terrorist with a stolen big body jet hidden away, I know what my target would be (Probably Tel Aviv or Jerusalem) The question then is what kind of a weapon would they be putting in it? Chemical, biological, nuclear, or radiological?

Of course I have no idea how this relates to tractors, unless you're using one to tow stolen airplanes around some undeveloped airfield in the middle of nowhere.
 
   / Missing 777 #114  
Now they are focusing on the pilot, saying he was a "political fanatic"? I find that hard to believe being the reason. No manifesto, no note and no "statement", so what would be the "fanatical, political" point?? Unless he didn't make his destination and still, there would be no evidence it was more than an accident at that point.??

I have little faith in the Malaysian's in this investigation, the way they have done in this case.
 
   / Missing 777 #115  
Scapegoat, much? Apparently the man had some strong opinions about the local PTB and wasn't afraid to state them. So what? I've got some pretty strong opinions about my own state and federal governments but that does not a fanatic make. We may never know, but I'm thinking he's one of the victims, not one of the perps.
 
   / Missing 777 #116  
Scapegoat, much? Apparently the man had some strong opinions about the local PTB and wasn't afraid to state them. So what? I've got some pretty strong opinions about my own state and federal governments but that does not a fanatic make. We may never know, but I'm thinking he's one of the victims, not one of the perps.

Hmmm... I don't know. Fanatics are notoriously incapable of recognizing their own fanaticism. :laughing:
 
   / Missing 777 #117  
Well, I'm a machinery fanatic, I'll give you that. :D
 
   / Missing 777 #118  
Hmmm... I don't know. Fanatics are notoriously incapable of recognizing their own fanaticism. :laughing:

Also notorious for making their fanaticism known, like at a monk with a can of gas! It is a good jigsaw puzzle anyhooo.
 
   / Missing 777 #120  
Steve that is right out of a Clancy novel. But it sounds plausible.
I'm not saying Mr Ledgerwood's scenario is impossible, but it is highly unlikely. The airways that planes use are like 2-way streets but with separation vertically instead of horizontally. Thats 1000 feet altitude separation. Most all planes are navigating with GPS so they are spot on the airway centerline. One airplane shadowing another would have to stack up or down about 500 feet to avoid the lead planes wake turbulence. Now if these two planes passed any opposite direction traffic the separation would be minimal and the passing pilots would be alerting ATC. These airways are heavily used and someone would see whats going on. I suppose it could happen but don't think so.
What did happen I no clue. Lots of ocean out there and lots of double/triple canopy jungle that would swallow up an aircraft with very little clue.
 

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