Boy do I feel your pain. I am SO glad I would not have to go through this with MY wife... she knows ZIP about tractors, loaders and backhoes whereas I have more of that knowledge in my pinky than she has... maybe my wife needs to call yours, feed her a good line from me, and we push her to your side of the fence....
Momma Wants a Tractor
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7AcherHaven
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What about wet brakes versus dry ones? Is that any big deal for a tractor the size of the 2015? All the Kubotas have wet disks as opposed to dry on the 2015.
AchingBack
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Dear 7Acherheaven, I am guessing you have seven acres that are making you ache. I know at least seven of my ten acres, have done that to me. The greatest relief I've gained so far, was the acquistion of my Mahindra 2615 HST.
The problem I see you have, is more than acreage. You seem to be suffering from a severe case of "who wears the pantsitis". Get it over with man. Get the tractor you want. You know, in the long run, you will probably be the one using it the most. Or, will you be too busy dusting and doing dishes?
In your heart, and as you've expressed, the Mahindra is the better machine for the money. Time to get some cajones, dude. No disrespect intended, and you don't have to share this post with the wife.
Why not, as a final decider, search threads to see which model has had the most problems.
Times a wastin'.
The problem I see you have, is more than acreage. You seem to be suffering from a severe case of "who wears the pantsitis". Get it over with man. Get the tractor you want. You know, in the long run, you will probably be the one using it the most. Or, will you be too busy dusting and doing dishes?
In your heart, and as you've expressed, the Mahindra is the better machine for the money. Time to get some cajones, dude. No disrespect intended, and you don't have to share this post with the wife.
Why not, as a final decider, search threads to see which model has had the most problems.
Times a wastin'.
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7AcherHaven
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AchingBack said:
Dude, dude, dude . . . I am trying to be a bit less like you describe these days, as in not bulldozing my way in everything. I don't subscribe to "back of the hand" methods in dealing with my wife. She is an independent woman and overall it works better when I treat her that way. When I met her she could change the oil in her car, replace quite a few parts, and work on the Craftsman garden tractor she and her mom used to maintain a small vineyard, several trails, branches etc. on her mom's 35 acre place. Believe me, she will be operating this tractor (supervised by me for awhile at first), and she looks d@m^ good in those new-fangled jeans pants they wear these days.
But really though, I honestly needed to add the B7510/B7610 to the mix, the B7800 is enough more expensive to forget about. For almost even money with the 2015 I gotta look. At first I was really thinking that the simple weight difference means the 2015 was better for the digging and lifting work I have described. The frame is definitely heavier-looking to me. But the B series Botas are obviously heavy enough for the same work, and I can always add weight. I was so sold on Mahindra going in that I posted here insteadof "Buying/Posting/Comparisons" - my mistake.
I took your advice and found plenty of problems-reported type info to convince both of us that the BX-24 was not the tractor for us. I could possibly see having a BX-23 though - for a really good deal, but the B7610 looks like a real contender to me now - with the 2015. Mostly because of the excellent Kubota dealer just 24 miles away. The nearest Mahindra dealer (since LaGrange is closing) is 50 miles away in the next state, in Wedowee, AL. The one I have been dealing with is 60 miles away on the other side of Atlanta (+ bad traffic). I will keep looking to see what I can find out about the B7610 to see if it really is all that. Has those wet brakes too, you know.
DavesTractor
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Just to confuse matters, the 2415 Mahindra's are arriving on dealers lots already. We sold a couple last week. You might want to take a look at one.
AchingBack
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7AcherHaven said:
My apologies for a hastily thought out reply. I appreciate a man who respects his wife's opinion. It does make for a happy marriage when you do things that way. Seeing as how you have put so much thought into it, I know you will be a great tractor owner, red, or orange steel.
I would never badmouth Kubota. I know how good Mahindra is, though. And now that Dave has introduced the thought of a 2415, you have more grist for the mill.
God bless your decision,
Aching Back, on the mend.
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After a hectic week back at work, I'm just now back at it. From the dealer I talked to yesterday, looks like the Mahindra prices didn't go up much at all for 2007 - and that was for a new tractor, not one already on their lot from 2006. I still need to talk to the Kubota dealer to see if they had a price change on the B7610.
I've been reading up on the 2015HST with ML104 FEL and 2710 BH vs. the B7610 with the LA352 FEL and 4672A BH. While the Kubota will probably cost a thou or 2 more, the dealer is well-established and only 24 miles away.
The Mahindra tractor is significantly heavier, but the loader capacities are similar - B7610/LA352 lifts 10# more, but not as high as the Mahindra.
The Mahindra backhoe does seem a good bit more capable than the Kubota. One tidbit, it seems the B7610 can use a MMM while the backhoe is attached. From what I can tell, this is because the 4672A basically attaches to the B7610 like a 3PH backhoe with only a bit of subframe mounting on the back of the tractor - so it doesn't go near where the MMM would be. BTW, I have read several posts which make me think this Kubota backhoe is quite difficult to install and remove (comments anyone?). After seeing the Mahindra with 2710, I can't imagine a MMM could be attached under there with those big square tubes from the BH going all the way up to where the FEL attaches. Does anyone know whether or not this is the case with the Mahindra - that a MMM could be used with the 2710 BH and subframe mounting in place? Also, how difficult (how much time, I guess) is it to take the Mahindra BH off and put it on again? And those big tubes decrease ground clearance on the 2015, too.
I realize I am splitting hairs here, but it really does seem that close from where I sit. I think the Mahindra is stronger package overall, but dealer support is further away (either on the other side of bad traffic or 50 mi away in AL). The money is not that significantly different - unless Kubota went up significantly for 2007. Kubota has better resale value - which is probably not going to be an issue, but . . . ya never know - that's the only reason I would care about the MMM issue, because I don't plan on any mowing. The Kubota is slightly smaller and has a slight maneuverability advantage - which is an issue for our place.
From posts I've read, folks sometimes say the dealer is the most important one of these issues - but I don't hear about Mahindras having to go to the dealer that often. The Mahindra dealers swear they hardly ever have a warranty repair - just one minor one last year for the Lawrenceville dealer - a wire came loose. But anyway, getting real close now. Thanks for everyone's input and patience so far.
I've been reading up on the 2015HST with ML104 FEL and 2710 BH vs. the B7610 with the LA352 FEL and 4672A BH. While the Kubota will probably cost a thou or 2 more, the dealer is well-established and only 24 miles away.
The Mahindra tractor is significantly heavier, but the loader capacities are similar - B7610/LA352 lifts 10# more, but not as high as the Mahindra.
The Mahindra backhoe does seem a good bit more capable than the Kubota. One tidbit, it seems the B7610 can use a MMM while the backhoe is attached. From what I can tell, this is because the 4672A basically attaches to the B7610 like a 3PH backhoe with only a bit of subframe mounting on the back of the tractor - so it doesn't go near where the MMM would be. BTW, I have read several posts which make me think this Kubota backhoe is quite difficult to install and remove (comments anyone?). After seeing the Mahindra with 2710, I can't imagine a MMM could be attached under there with those big square tubes from the BH going all the way up to where the FEL attaches. Does anyone know whether or not this is the case with the Mahindra - that a MMM could be used with the 2710 BH and subframe mounting in place? Also, how difficult (how much time, I guess) is it to take the Mahindra BH off and put it on again? And those big tubes decrease ground clearance on the 2015, too.
I realize I am splitting hairs here, but it really does seem that close from where I sit. I think the Mahindra is stronger package overall, but dealer support is further away (either on the other side of bad traffic or 50 mi away in AL). The money is not that significantly different - unless Kubota went up significantly for 2007. Kubota has better resale value - which is probably not going to be an issue, but . . . ya never know - that's the only reason I would care about the MMM issue, because I don't plan on any mowing. The Kubota is slightly smaller and has a slight maneuverability advantage - which is an issue for our place.
From posts I've read, folks sometimes say the dealer is the most important one of these issues - but I don't hear about Mahindras having to go to the dealer that often. The Mahindra dealers swear they hardly ever have a warranty repair - just one minor one last year for the Lawrenceville dealer - a wire came loose. But anyway, getting real close now. Thanks for everyone's input and patience so far.
I keep thinking, why would anyone want to mow their lawn with the loader and backhoe mounted? I can picture damage to trees, shrubs and buildings with all that hanging off the tractor, as well as ruts from the added weight during damp conditions. Maybe under ideal conditions and a flat yard without obstacles, but it wouldn't work for me.
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7AcherHaven
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shvl73 said:
I should have been more clear - you probably wouldn't mow with the BH attached the way I seemed to say, but you would probably mow with the subframe mounting still in place. If you were a Kubota owner, from the posts I've read, you might leave the BH on, too - because the dang thing seems to be so hard to get on and off.
DavesTractor
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7AcherHaven said:
On the Mahindra 15 series, the subframe comes off with the backhoe. So if the backhoe is off, so is the subframe. No tools, about 5 minutes from start to finish. If you think the machine will do more finish mowing than digging with the backhoe, I'd lean towards the Kubota. On the other hand, if the depth, reach and power of the backhoe is a big item, I'd go with the Mahindra. Quality is similar. The 2015 is built by Mitsubishi in Japan, the hoe and loader is built in Kansas.