Monsanto loses Roundup lawsuit
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I can't say the world isn't flat. I have no personal way of knowing. From where I live, I would say it isn't flat nor round but hilly!
Saw a doc on war time munitions polluting the environment last night. And the US and USSR if I recall correctly dumped spent nuclear material in the oceans. It sickens me how humans have abused and poisoned the environment. I too am guilty of that.
Saw a doc on war time munitions polluting the environment last night. And the US and USSR if I recall correctly dumped spent nuclear material in the oceans. It sickens me how humans have abused and poisoned the environment. I too am guilty of that.
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Thank you for your service Brother ! I also suffer from the effects of AO while serving with the Air Force at Udorn RTAFB Thailand during Vietnam. F4 crew chief.
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Well if you believe your own eyes...a lunar eclipse is pretty convincing evidence...even if you think photos from manned space flights are all bogus...
As far as polluting the environment we can only be thankful that Earth is so resilient...what's really upsetting to me is the fact that we have also polluted the space surrounding the Earth...a place we have barely explored yet have greatly polluted...
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And if as some think, believe or postulate that we live in a matrix? It's kind of a moot point.
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Glyphosate may be safe. Glyphosate may be carcinogenic. There are convincing arguments and studies to support either point of view, I certainly don't have the answer, but here's what I see as the major problem. Let's say gly gets banned. Then what? Roundup ready corn, soybeans, and god knows what other crops are mainstays of world agriculture; remove gly and you're taking a step back to 40 acres and a mule. Right now those big farmers are coaxing 250 or 300 bushels of corn out of an acre where their grandfathers got 30 or 40 bushels from the same acre. Without some of their practices, which are definitely questionable, yields will plunge and the price of your Cheerios (and everything else) will skyrocket.
When or if glyphosate gets banned or restricted the chemists will have "a new, more effective, and safer" product ready to sell at high prices at least until the patent expires. Some farmers will get old school and go back to Atrazine and the like- you really don't want that stuff back again.
I don't have answers. Cars kill a lot more people than Roundup. DDT saved countless lives and is still used in some countries. Life is a series of compromises. Should I tell my daughter to forget about her M.B.A. and nice executive job and get out here and start hoeing? Totally organic farming is nice when we buy everything from our local farmer but I don't think anybody is exporting boatloads of organic grain anywhere as the production scale isn't there and may be impossible to achieve..
When or if glyphosate gets banned or restricted the chemists will have "a new, more effective, and safer" product ready to sell at high prices at least until the patent expires. Some farmers will get old school and go back to Atrazine and the like- you really don't want that stuff back again.
I don't have answers. Cars kill a lot more people than Roundup. DDT saved countless lives and is still used in some countries. Life is a series of compromises. Should I tell my daughter to forget about her M.B.A. and nice executive job and get out here and start hoeing? Totally organic farming is nice when we buy everything from our local farmer but I don't think anybody is exporting boatloads of organic grain anywhere as the production scale isn't there and may be impossible to achieve..
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Speaking of organic farming, did you know that the $47 billion per year organic food industry relies on synthetic and natural chemicals?
Many organic pesticides used are significant environmental and health risks - such as copper sulfate. It is the most common residue found in organic food, and the EU determined it may cause cancer...they backed off from banning it because their organic farmers had no viable alternative.
Many organic pesticides used are significant environmental and health risks - such as copper sulfate. It is the most common residue found in organic food, and the EU determined it may cause cancer...they backed off from banning it because their organic farmers had no viable alternative.
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Let’s ban Roundup and bring back all the other stuff that is really toxic.
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Monsanto gave us Agent Orange, and the toxic by-product dioxin. Their environmental legacy is questionable at best, and according to this article they are ruthless. I have no use for GMO's or Monsanto.
Monsanto’s Cruel, and Dangerous, Monopolization on American Farming | Vanity Fair
Monsanto’s Cruel, and Dangerous, Monopolization on American Farming | Vanity Fair
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Extremists and other henny penny/chicken little's that think the lawsuits etc. will eventually lead to the banning of glyphosate are off the wall...they belong in the same boat as those that think banning guns is the answer to mass shootings etc...It's not the answer...
What is needed is education of protective measures...just about any effective pesticides come with small tomes of fine printed warnings and instructions that mostly never get read...Some people mistakenly think that if the label says mix 2 ounces of concentrate with a gallon of water that twice as much will be twice as effective...DOH!
Judicial use and protective measures go a long way in making dangerous products much safer...
The advent of things like seat belts, guard rails, speed limits, building codes etc., etc...have saved untold lives...many other safety measures were only implemented after loss of life and related lawsuits...
Education is the key to preventing the harmful effects of dangerous products etc...not outright banning...
It should not take deaths and following lawsuits to get companies to warn users of known or possible dangers...anyone bought a new_tractor or lawnmower that does not have any warning or "danger" stickers plastered on them?
What is needed is education of protective measures...just about any effective pesticides come with small tomes of fine printed warnings and instructions that mostly never get read...Some people mistakenly think that if the label says mix 2 ounces of concentrate with a gallon of water that twice as much will be twice as effective...DOH!
Judicial use and protective measures go a long way in making dangerous products much safer...
The advent of things like seat belts, guard rails, speed limits, building codes etc., etc...have saved untold lives...many other safety measures were only implemented after loss of life and related lawsuits...
Education is the key to preventing the harmful effects of dangerous products etc...not outright banning...
It should not take deaths and following lawsuits to get companies to warn users of known or possible dangers...anyone bought a new_tractor or lawnmower that does not have any warning or "danger" stickers plastered on them?
