More problems on the 425 Kohler CH25

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#51  
I admire your persistence.
LOL my wife laughs at me—I can’t let it go, like so many other things I’ve fixed…it might take a little time to dig into as much info/how-tos/videos as I can, but it always feels good to finally fix things. (Along with plenty of frustration and aggravation/4 letter words😆)
Wife says “just buy a new one” on about everything, (we are mid 60s and only married 3+ years) and I have to explain my brain can’t fathom paying the amounts of money to simply “buy” the new fixes…LOL
 
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#52  
I would also pull the other head and disassemble/clean the valve assemblies, lap the valves, and replace the lifters on the other cylinder as well. A sticky/intermittently closing valve on the other cylinder would explain the no compression one day then compression another day as you described
Yes I’m going to replace them as well.😊
 
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#53  
There are a variety of sludge / varnish remover products out there, e.g. SeaFoam in the oil, etc. I think any of them would help, and be a prudent course of action. I have used them to clean up various engines, and they all work, at least to some degree. My advice would be use one of them, run the engine hard for ten hours or so, change the oil and filter, add some more detergent / or Tuffoil, and do some accelerated oil changes for awhile.

It isn't my money, but having owned a number of engines with hydraulic lifters, I would change the hydraulic lifters. It is tough to get them clean without disassembly, and not all versions disassemble easily. They need oil to operate, and they really should not go in and out with finger pressure. I suspect that having forced the oil out of the lifter, where it was doing its job, you now have some air inside, allowing the motion with finger pressure. I think of the concept of a hydraulic lifter as using engine oil to expand the lifter to just the right height, keeping the valve clearance at the optimal height. If they are super springy, they won't keep the height up. (They need pressure to overcome the resistance of the valve springs after all.)

I think from the damage that your engine, @Modrob, has apparently had, there was probably a loss of lubrication, probably due to fuel in the oil, and you are working through the after effects.

I think that the good news is what you have found is all readily fixable.

All the best,

Peter
Wow! Yes, all very true and good, deeper thought. Replacing them and I believe “priming” them is in order as well.
 
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#54  
IF after replacing lifters, gaskets, etc…
Would trying to run some “cleaning” options to lessen the varnish, gumming, sludge, etc., cause some possible ring leaking??
 
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#55  
We’re FINALLY (hopefully) about to return home this evening after this Florida Amtrak train/bus round trip fiasco, and I’m now “recharged” and ready to tackle this motor with a renewed vigor! 😆🤪
(One more hour on this bus transfer, then board our last train for another 6 hours—let’s hope all goes as it should LOL)
 
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#56  
We’re FINALLY (hopefully) about to return home this evening after this Florida Amtrak train/bus round trip fiasco, and I’m now “recharged” and ready to tackle this motor with a renewed vigor! 😆🤪
(One more hour on this bus transfer, then board our last train for another 6 hours—let’s hope all goes as it should LOL)
(To be fair and honest, this was from Sunday evening depart to Friday evening return, 2 trains, 2 busses each way, but we spent our FL time visiting the new 18 month-old granddaughter and daughter, and even squeezed in building a heavy/duty swing/play set for them.😊❤️)
 
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LOL my wife laughs at me—I can’t let it go, like so many other things I’ve fixed…it might take a little time to dig into as much info/how-tos/videos as I can, but it always feels good to finally fix things. (Along with plenty of frustration and aggravation/4 letter words😆)
Wife says “just buy a new one” on about everything, (we are mid 60s and only married 3+ years) and I have to explain my brain can’t fathom paying the amounts of money to simply “buy” the new fixes…LOL
2manyrocks and…her nice and polished stainless steel French door fridge ice maker went on the fritz awhile back. Ended up a couple of problems compounded the problem—after a couple weeks of hit-and-miss episodes of working on it, she was ready to just go buy a new fridge! What? I said…no way— it until I’ve given up…LOL (meanwhile I had bought a small countertop ice maker to get by with 😆) I continued on, and with more great forum members’ help and guidance, learned how the whole ice maker system worked, and I finally got it fixed. Yep, it only took about a month, but that was having to mix in with other fix-it projects that seem to keep popping up…but another success! 😊
 
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LOL my wife laughs at me—I can’t let it go, like so many other things I’ve fixed…it might take a little time to dig into as much info/how-tos/videos as I can, but it always feels good to finally fix things. (Along with plenty of frustration and aggravation/4 letter words😆)
Wife says “just buy a new one” on about everything, (we are mid 60s and only married 3+ years) and I have to explain my brain can’t fathom paying the amounts of money to simply “buy” the new fixes…LOL
I completely agree.
I also get a sense that when I buy something, sure I own it; but when I dig into something to understand it enough to repair, especially when it's an in-depth repair involving blood sweat and 4 letter words as mentioned, I have well and truly made the thing mine.
 
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IF after replacing lifters, gaskets, etc…
Would trying to run some “cleaning” options to lessen the varnish, gumming, sludge, etc., cause some possible ring leaking??
I would. If there are no major deposits, no harm would be done. If there are deposits, the detergents/ degumming compounds will help get them off. I wouldn't worry about them removing something important.

If you think that there might be gunk on your rings, I would use a product specific to that and run it hard for a while.

All the best,

Peter
 
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Sunday night…decided to disassemble a hydraulic lifter. I chose the intake side on this problem cylinder, and I had previously taken it out and bled it before putting back in. Tonight after pulling it, I found it to be stuck again—took an extreme amount of force to get it to bleed again…
Here are some pics of it in various pieces, in case someone else is curious too. 😜
And then I’ll include the latest pics of the head and problem exhaust valve…
 

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