Morton ploe barn-How square should it be ????

[DannyD]

Purlins run the opposite direction of the trusses. If you look at it from the ground, they are going left right, and your trusses up and down. Purlins will be nailed to the trusses. If you dont have these, stop the work, call Morton, take photos and get every professional that has been suggested out there NOW. I can be a butt head when I pay for something and it is not right, I would be demanding to speak to the pres of Morton, and from the talk you had with the sales guy, he would be last in line to talk to. Seems like he is making light of your concerns and hoping to get by. Dont let him!

The metal roof is only screwed to the trusses which are 6' on center.>>>>>>

This alone is proof enough that there are major concerns with your project. My barn has trusses every 4 foot, and purlins, 2x4 between them. Dont know where you are, but that roof would never hold even a small amount of snow. It I were to put a level on my roof, it would be level also, there are no optical illusions to it.
As for the square, BEFORE the guys put in one 4x6 they put up boards and strung the area for square, then when it was correct they put the corner posts up, set on cement pads, with the corners of the poles in the corners of the string they had set up, making sure it was square.
I would have to be contacting Morton direct, and no work would be done or paid for till I got what I expected. Don't go for a discount, make them do the work correctly, or dont let them do it at all.
Someone else mentioned about if you sell it someday, that was dead on, inspectors dont care if you got a discount, they will bring out the things they see that are not up to par, and it will hurt your chances of selling.

 

[srs]

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I would be demanding to speak to the pres of Morton, and from the talk you had with the sales guy, he would be last in line to talk to. Seems like he is making light of your concerns and hoping to get by. Dont let him!
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DannyD hit the nail on the head. Sounds like the sales guy wants to stick it to you. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

[Docsknotinn]

Ok I just got back after a long day of driving. Some of this stuff is my lack of knowledge and some is their error. I'll try to address everything. Firstly I spoke to the building inspector. The laminated pressure treat beams are 4' deep with the footings and 8" of sackrete below that. I find three off. 2 are less than 1/4" so no gold stars for the builder but nothing to yell too loud about. 1 is 1/2" out which is definitely not right. The problem is the sandy soil, taking the metal down etc. He looked the building over and feels it is certainly within acceptable range of being square. Just the one beam out of line with the others but it is still level. The truss I was concerned about is level. HOWEVER, some one had been back yesterday and replaced the wood bracing on the side of that truss. I think there was just a warped board that made it look odd. Also all the laminated beams where the pressure treat meets the regular wood were seriously re-nailed. No more twisting or separating. Some one was Johnny on the spot with that one. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I'm not concerned about the crawl space simply because so far they are working with me very well to keep me happy. The roof line is indeed PARTLY a optical illusion. The building faces east and west so when the sun is out the shadow in the middle of the facia is narrower than the ends. There is some wave but it appears to be about 1/8- 2/8 ths. Some are areas where the steel over laps. The purlins are in place. They are 2x4's on end. I assume there is some bend to all wood and nothing is perfectly straight. This adds to the slightly off look. At the edge of the metal foof or underneath the edge where the metal sets on top of the facia they used a black type of gooey seal tape to fill the corrigation and run a line to seal the roof. That black line adds even more to the wave look. Again its only a few eigths at the most. HOWEVER on the SE corner the last piece of metal roofing looks like it was bent a good 1/2" so that really sets the whole look off. The NW corner also seems to have a slight rise. There is wad of that black crud about the size of a fist where the roof meets the wall. So we have some issues to deal with but the moment it really looks as simple as a replacement piece of steel for the roof. All of those things together add up to make you really scratch your head when you look at the roof line. I took some photos of this I will try to put up later. The inside OSB that has gaps will be replaced. All the other concerns were addressed. There is no correlation between the roof and the twisted beam......BIG SIGH OF RELIEF /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif So the two issues I have to deal with them on yet are the roof panel and the beam. I am simply going to tell them I want a discount. I really believe that taking it out will cause more problems than it will resolve. I understand what you guys are saying but lets face it. For what you pay for a building like this you get very little back when you sell. I should mention this is my deer camp so its five hours from home. If this were on a residence I would have it replaced, absolutely, positivly. Morton has been quick to act but honestly I do not think we should have had any of theese issues to begin with. The beam should have been replaced before the metal went up as they certainly knew it was out well before that. If they come at me with a few hundred bucks off then it will get replaced and the crawl space will get corrected. I'm sure it would cost a fair amount to take all of that siding off, dig the footing and replace those beams. Certainly a full days labor for the crew plus material.

 

[Docsknotinn]

If there is a member here who has a Morton building I would like to email them full size photos so they might compare them to their own building. After downloading the sideview photos I made them full screen on the computer. I lined up a piece of paper on the roof line and well...it aint pretty IMO but its not terrible either. I'd sure like a opinion from some one else that has one of theese buildings. Dave

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Morton has engineered their trusses to span 6' for heavy snow loads. Only thing I don't remember is if they called for 2x6 purlins on end or 2x4. I thought they wanted 2x6 but don't know for sure.

 

[Docsknotinn]

They are 2 x 4. Thother guys in my area that have 2x4 trusses 4' on center have 1x4 purlins. I havent been able to get theese photos to load because they are too big. I don't want to resize them just yet until I see if I need to send copies to Morton HQ.

 

[DannyD]

Talked to the fellow that built my barn, He echoed your statement on the 2x6 being standard for them. He was surprised at the list of concerns on this build though. Thought like me that they may have hired subs to put it up.

On the value issue, it will add to or degrade the value of the property. My building added about 20 grand to the value of my place. 99000 before, just under 119000 now, I only have about 10 grand in it, electric, and all.

You can resize the originals and then save them under a differing name and you will have the full size and the one for uploading here. EX: firstphoto.jpg, saved as firstphoto1.jpg, now you have both

 

[MikePA]

<font color="blue">I don't want to resize them just yet until I see if I need to send copies to Morton HQ. </font>
Resize copies of the originals.

 

[Docsknotinn]

ok I guess I just dont know how to do that /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif If I can email them to one of you guys can some post them ???

 

[Inspector507]

Here's pic one from Doc