Rotary Cutter Moving on up - My Rotary Cutter decision dilema

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Hozzie

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So I have read and re-read many posts on here and other places about different rotary cutters and still can't decide what to do. Always good to get some educated opinions from the forum on this. I am looking at a fairly broad spectrum of cutters and any of them will probably serve me well, but since I can't find any place that will let me demo units, it's still a bit of a crap shoot.

Main details: Approx 25 acres that I want to mow 3-4 times a year. This is comprised mainly of pasture type land with few obstacles, but I do have some surface rock to deal with in places. It is relatively flat, with some undulation here and there. Not looking or needing to truly brush hog anything over an inch or so in reality, but do run over smaller parts of fallen trees that maybe I cleaned up, but missed a branch, etc. I will be running this on a Kubota MX5800, so 50 PTO HP. I have been running a 6' land pride, but it just takes too long to get anything done. As it is almost all pasture cutting, cut quality without windrowing is most important. I don't expect it to be a lawn, but I want as few stragglers as possible and I don't like clumps being left behind, so I am putting (at least in my mind) a premium on blade speed although I am not sure it matters as much in pasture. I don't expect to let it get more than a couple of feet high at most, probably in the 12-18" range most times and will cut about 6" tall. Cost is of course an important consideration, but not the sole deciding factor.

So, taking into consideration tractor size, acreage, etc, I basically have two upgrade options, 8' and 12'. I have been shopping and looking around and have come down to these options.

1) Bush Hog 2308 (current front runner) - Looking at doing a semi-mount. Priced at $5350. 2" capacity, 16,100 tip speed. No real cons I can see other than it isn't a 12'. I like the idea of the semi-mount for backing up, etc.

2) Bush Hog 3308 - Would do pull behind due to weight. Priced at $7500. 3" capacity. Very heavily built so I don't worry about damaging it at all. Cons- Probably overkill for what I will be doing and not sure it is worth the extra $, but I like heavy duty for peace of mind.

3) Bush Hog 1812 - Priced at $11,000. Heaviest of the 12' bat wings I have seen. Blade speeds are down around 14000 with 1/2x3" blades. 12' would be nice, but not sure it is worth twice the cost of the 2308 realizing it does cut 1.5 times as wide. Time to cut is not a major concern as my retired dad will do it most of the time, but its still a consideration overall.

4) Rhino TS12 - Priced at $11,400. Lighter than the Bush Hog, but still a very nice machine. I don't see any real pro over the Bush Hog, but know many people have them so it is on the list.

5) Used Rhino TS12 - Priced at $7500. The dealer, whom is also the Bush Hog dealer, says it is a 2016 model. The whole cutter looks to be in good shape mechanically, but the paint looks terrible. There are really no major dents in the top of the cutter like you would usually see from a cutter that has mowed over a lot of brush or debris. I know for many the paint means nothing and I am trying to look past that, but I keep my things under cover so just not my norm, but at the end of the day it is still just a cutter. Anyway, we hooked it up and ran it briefly and I didn't hear any strange noises. One con for me was he said the warranty on the gear boxes was not transferable past the original owner even though it was within the 5 year range.

6) Land Pride RC2512 - Just added this. No idea on price, but saw it had the highest blade speed of any 12 batwing. Need to do more research on it.

Right now I am not justifying in my my mind twice the cost for the new 12', but don't want to regret not getting a bigger cutter later. The used TS12 is intriguing, but I hate not having the gearbox warranty. Below is a pic of the used cutter. You can see what I mean by rough on the paint. The 8's will certainly get the job done, just not as fast as the 12, but better than my 6. So, what to do...

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How much time do you have? retired? or tight schedule? imho with only 25 acres & an MX, stay with you have & keep the blades sharp. with an MX & the small acreage, i wouldn't dream of dropping those bucks on what you're talking about. just my take. best on whatever you decide bb
 
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If I had the funds I’d lean towards a 12’ too if I were you. I’d love to have one. There’s a really nice used rhino TS 10 for sale near me in great shape for $8800 I think. Not a 12’ but kind of a price reference. In a dream world I’d like to keep my 6’ and add a 10 or 12’ batwing. Do you think you could buy the used TS12 for less than $7500? Maybe shoot some paint on it later? I think if you’re going to upgrade you’ll regret not going to a 12... for your purposes. At least I would.... I’ve seen me do it before!
 
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Time isn't a major issue (I have a fair amount of time and my dad is retired and will do a lot of the cutting as he just liked to fart around on the tractor). Fortunately, the money isn't a major issue either so in this case less time wins over the cost to do it. At the end of the day I am the type that wants to just get it done withing reason reasonably fast once I start. Or maybe a better way to say it is I want to feel like I am making progress faster. The 6' isn't going to cut it for me, I don't have that much patience :). I have only had this place 6 months so it was a good place to start, but I quickly realized I don't want it to take as long as it does to mow the fields.
 
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If I had the funds I’d lean towards a 12’ too if I were you. I’d love to have one. There’s a really nice used rhino TS 10 for sale near me in great shape for $8800 I think. Not a 12’ but kind of a price reference. In a dream world I’d like to keep my 6’ and add a 10 or 12’ batwing. Do you think you could buy the used TS12 for less than $7500? Maybe shoot some paint on it later? I think if you’re going to upgrade you’ll regret not going to a 12... for your purposes. At least I would.... I’ve seen me do it before!

I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately I also sometimes try to be practical with "value" of what I am spending. I have thought about keeping the 6' as I will probably only get $1500 for it, but if I go a 12', ever dollar helps. I am trying to justify a 12, just not sure I am there yet :). The dealer said $7500 is his bottom dollar, but I didn't pull my checkbook out either. Once I decide I can pull that card and see what happens.

I am actually intrigued by the LP2512 right now. Looks like I could buy one for around $10,500 and it has by far the highest blade speed of any of the 12's.
 
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Your search made me curious... so I looked up the LP2512... I like it. Seems maybe a little beefier than the Rhino TS12 on paper at least. Never seen one in person. I like that it has 3/16” side skirts. I’ve checked out the TS12 in person at the Louisville farm show pretty close... they’re nicely built too.
 
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I am going to weigh in on this with a thought.
I have two larger tractors, both 70 HP. I have a 6 foot, an 8 foot, and a 15 foot mower. I mow a couple of fields, that get mowed about 3 times a year. So pretty much light mowing. Now, as far as time with mowing, what I have found is that horsepower is the controlling factor when it comes down to how long it takes to mow. If there is surplus horsepower with the 6 foot, mowing as fast as it will, then you might be able to speed up your cutting time with a larger mower. However, in most of my cases, with my tractors, the larger mower just cuts a wider path, but it does it at a slower pace. Before you spend the money to buy a larger mower, you really need to hook up to one and mow with it. Finding someone willing to let you use their's might be a challenge, but you really need to do that. If you want to use my 8 or 15 to see how your tractor handles them, load up and come to Florida! My 8 foot is a Bush Hog 3008 and the 15 is a batwing. I can already tell you that the 15 is too much mower for your tractor because it is almost too much for mine!
Hope this helps, and puts a thought in your head about how it is mostly horsepower that makes the blades go round.
David from jax
 
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I added a Woods 12’ batwing two years ago. Pull it with a Deere 4720 which is 56 horse at the PTO. Previously I had done the field mowing with a 6’ cutter, which I still have. But every time I use the Woods I smile at the time I’m saving. It cut hours off my mowing and I don’t have tons of excess time. Plus that’s less hours on the tractor. I can even get in around trees now that I know how it moves in relation to the tractor. Plus it lets me reach to the side and mow closer to fences or down a ditch a bit. So glad I got the thing.
 
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I added a Woods 12’ batwing two years ago. Pull it with a Deere 4720 which is 56 horse at the PTO. Previously I had done the field mowing with a 6’ cutter, which I still have. But every time I use the Woods I smile at the time I’m saving. It cut hours off my mowing and I don’t have tons of excess time. Plus that’s less hours on the tractor. I can even get in around trees now that I know how it moves in relation to the tractor. Plus it lets me reach to the side and mow closer to fences or down a ditch a bit. So glad I got the thing.

Well that at least tells us a 56 horsepower tractor will spin-up a 12 foot batwing! I had my doubts, lol!
I still think he should test out a similar model to see how it handles it. I understand about getting closer to ponds, as that has been an issue for me for quite some time!
David from jax
 
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Thanks for your feedback Sandman. I guess a couple of things of note. I fully realize a 15' batwing is too big for my machine. That's the reason I didn't include a 10' as well. I think the only realistic options are the 8' or one of the 12's made for lower HP machines. I can mow with my 6' at full speed without running out of power, but I don't as I don't like beating the crap out of myself. My fields are flat overall, but plenty of bumps of sorts to keep me from mowing full speed. Even if I lost a little speed at times due to thick grass, I don't see it ever being half of what I could do with a 6'.

@Boiler, thanks for the feedback. Going to look at the LP version this morning to see what I think. I like the Woods, I just don't see the $1500-$2000 increase in cost for it vs. the LP or Bush Hog at this point. I also completely agree with it keeping hours off of the tractor.

Still leaning towards an 8' simply because it's half the cost, but I am easily convinced in the moment many times if a really great deal is offered. I got to thinking about how much time I would save with an 8' vs 12' assuming a similar speed can be maintained which I think it can pretty close due to how flat my ground is. If I look at a field that takes 3 hours to mow, that means I can mow it in 2 hours with the 8' or 1-1/2 hours with the 12'. I am not sure 30 minutes in this case is worth another 5-6k. That's a lot of diesel as well.

For kicks, here is a video of a local Kioti dealer cutting with a Titan 12' on a 35hp tractor to see how it does. If you go to almost the end, you can see him mow some pretty heavy stuff. Not bad. I can buy that exact model for 9k, but I just have a hard time thinking it can be of a similar quality as the others mentioned. Then again, I am only cutting grass, so it may be just fine. It does seem to windrow some which I find annoying although I know they can all do it.
KIOTI CK351SEMB with a 12' TITAN Flex Wing Cutter. HO-LEE-COW! - YouTube
 
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One thing you might look at is flexibility of a 12’ vrs a solid deck 8 or 10. I have a 8’ and in rolling uneven ground it leaves hi and low spots , a 12 batwing will flex and give a more even cut.
 
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I am almost in the same situation and am considering the same options.

I really want a LP2512 but I figure I will still need a smaller unit to get into tighter spots. Really takes the appeal of the 12’ away a bit. Most likely will end up with an 8’ 3-point mounted unit.
 
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I inherited Bush Hog 10' semi-mount offset cutter and JD 2355 with the farm. I bought a Kubota L5740 and 6' LP cutter. I think the 5740 is 50 PTO HP.

After about 6 years, I set out to replace the JD with a cabbed tractor. Settled on a Kubota M7060. I also wanted to get a larger cutter. I was thinking either a 12' or 15' bat wing.

The dealer told me the L5740 would run an RC2512 but was not big enough for the Bush Hog cutter I already had. My fields have lots of very rough areas. The little L5740 has to go slower than the M7060. I figured "If it has to go slow, why not be cutting twice the width?".

I chose the RC2512 and am VERY HAPPY with the performance behind either tractor. I'm shocked at what the L5740 can handle with a 12' cutter. I am not allowed to cut my CRP fields from April 1 to July 15. That means the grass is high on July 15. The L5740 is slowed down by bumps more than cutting capacity.

Pros: Pull behind is better in rough terrain. Doesn't scalp as much. Easy to grease - Big plus. Easy to hook up.
Con: Larger turning radius.

A piece of advice: IF you have 3 rear remotes, have your batwing plumbed so that you can raise either wing independently. That is what i did and it is very handy to be able to raise only one wing to miss an obstacle.
 
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I just finished my fall mowing,, and I love my offset mower,,

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Have you considered an offset mower? That feature really helps to keep fields tame,, if there are trees or fences,,,

My mower is a flail, I sold a rotary mower when I got this mower.
I never cut anything bigger than an inch, the stuff never gets a chance to grow that large,,,
 
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Don't have a real need for an offset. A 12' would give me the clearance I need in most cases.
 
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This thread is very relevant to my interests.....

Let's say PTO HP wasn't a problem (MF 6290).

We have a LandPride 6' 3 point rotary cutter. It cuts great, but 6' wide gets old fast. We have >100 acres of pasture to mow, no trees or brush anymore. Almost all grass, undulating terrain, occasional bump/low spot.

We have limited time, and decided we need to go with a 12'-15' mower, just to get it done.

We'd love a 15' batwing, but what about a 15' flail shredder? Like a JD 27 or 115? It doesn't "float" on the sides like a batwing, and we'd have a little trouble getting it through all but one of our gates.
We don't need a lawn, just a 4-6" cut.
Any thoughts? Experiences?

Thanks
 
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Went and looked at the LP this morning. Nice unit. Probably leading my list right now on the 12' side. Best price of any of them and has the highest blade speed. I was comparing all 4 major brands again. Pretty similar in most regards, but removing Bush Hog 1812 due to weight and no obvious benefit over the others. The Woods BW12 has 12ga top metal where the others have 10ga and it's blade speeds are between 2000 (center) and 1000 (wings) fpm slower. So basically down to considering LP and Rhino. One thing I like on the Rhino is it has a smooth bottom which I think will help with better discharge of cuttings, but it does have slower blade speed as well. The paint on the Rhinos also seems to not be as good as on the LP and others as I have noticed on ones that are a couple of years old. The LP has bracing like some others that I expect to catch clipping and create windrows. Maybe it won't, but seems it could easier. Really wish one could demo these things.

Example of the differences. The LP is from the one I looked at this morning. Not sure I like the stump jumper on the Rhino either. Do like the wheels better.

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This thread is very relevant to my interests.....

Let's say PTO HP wasn't a problem (MF 6290).

We have a LandPride 6' 3 point rotary cutter. It cuts great, but 6' wide gets old fast. We have >100 acres of pasture to mow, no trees or brush anymore. Almost all grass, undulating terrain, occasional bump/low spot.

We have limited time, and decided we need to go with a 12'-15' mower, just to get it done.

We'd love a 15' batwing, but what about a 15' flail shredder? Like a JD 27 or 115? It doesn't "float" on the sides like a batwing, and we'd have a little trouble getting it through all but one of our gates.
We don't need a lawn, just a 4-6" cut.
Any thoughts? Experiences?

Thanks

If I had your HP and size to mow, I wouldn't consider anything less than a 15'. I would stick with a bat wing as a 15' wide flail is not going to follow contour very well at all.
 
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I inherited Bush Hog 10' semi-mount offset cutter and JD 2355 with the farm. I bought a Kubota L5740 and 6' LP cutter. I think the 5740 is 50 PTO HP.

After about 6 years, I set out to replace the JD with a cabbed tractor. Settled on a Kubota M7060. I also wanted to get a larger cutter. I was thinking either a 12' or 15' bat wing.

The dealer told me the L5740 would run an RC2512 but was not big enough for the Bush Hog cutter I already had. My fields have lots of very rough areas. The little L5740 has to go slower than the M7060. I figured "If it has to go slow, why not be cutting twice the width?".

I chose the RC2512 and am VERY HAPPY with the performance behind either tractor. I'm shocked at what the L5740 can handle with a 12' cutter. I am not allowed to cut my CRP fields from April 1 to July 15. That means the grass is high on July 15. The L5740 is slowed down by bumps more than cutting capacity.

Pros: Pull behind is better in rough terrain. Doesn't scalp as much. Easy to grease - Big plus. Easy to hook up.
Con: Larger turning radius.

A piece of advice: IF you have 3 rear remotes, have your batwing plumbed so that you can raise either wing independently. That is what i did and it is very handy to be able to raise only one wing to miss an obstacle.

Thanks for your response, it helped me just bite the bullet and order the LP RC2512. I didn't want to regret not going bigger. The money will be long forgotten after a short amount of time. I only have two rear remotes so I will rework it myself after I have used it a bit to see how I want to plumb it. May end up adding a third remote eventually.

Dealer is backed up a bit right now so won't get it until next week, but looking forward to trying it out.

Thanks everyone for the feedback!
 
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Thanks for your response, it helped me just bite the bullet and order the LP RC2512. I didn't want to regret not going bigger. The money will be long forgotten after a short amount of time. I only have two rear remotes so I will rework it myself after I have used it a bit to see how I want to plumb it. May end up adding a third remote eventually.

Dealer is backed up a bit right now so won't get it until next week, but looking forward to trying it out.

Thanks everyone for the feedback!

FYI, cut height is controlled by spacers put on the rod of the hydraulic cylinder which controls deck height. The wings come to the set deck height then float on uneven terrain.
Inasmuch as the cylinders are single acting, they only require one hydraulic line. I plug mine into the left side of each set of remotes.

Your dealer should offer you two plumbing options for your two remotes:
1 - Use of only one remote - One line to hook up and one lever works both wings AND the mowing deck. My understanding of hydraulics (poor) is that the weakest link is serviced first. In other words, moving the lever back should raise one wing, then the other wing then the mowing deck.

2 - Use of two remotes - One line works the mowing deck height and the other line works the wings. Again, I suspect the wing with the least resistance would be the first to be raised.

I think the owner's manual for the cutter has more information.

Additionally, mine came with lights, I guess for towing on the highway, I removed them. All they did for me was to make it harder to clean the grass off the cutter.

My cleaning tip is to use a battery powered blower. I have a DeWalt 20V cordless that is small enough to fit in the tractor cab. When done cutting, but still in the field, I blow the grass off the cutter. Much easier/cleaner than using a broom.

Good luck with your new cutter. I hope you find it as useful as I have found mine to be.
 
 

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