MX 10 Pull Behind or hydraulics

[bravo2zero]

I am making the purchase on a John Deere here in the next couple weeks, give or take a week, and putting everything together when it comes to accessories.

Can someone tell me what advantage does the MX10 with hydraulics vs the MX10 pull behind have? The MX10 hydraulics is less money. I was told it will get around corners better? But more difficult to hook up?

I am looking at the 5085E CAB or the 5075E Cab. I would have to purchase an MX8 for the 75E rather than the MX10 due to weight. Any help would be very much appreciated!

 

[bravo2zero]

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[Poopdeck Pappy]

I'm not sure what you mean by "MX10 with hydraulics" vs the pull-type MX10. I assume you mean a 3 point hitch (3PH) mount vs. a pull type.

If my assumption is correct, then yes, the 3PH version will "get around corners better" and is more maneuverable in general because you can lift the whole cutter completely off the ground with the 3PH. The pull type uses a hydraulic cylinder attached to the gauge wheel mechanism to raise and lower the cutting height, but the mower is attached to the tractor via the drawbar and the mower's gauge wheels are always on the ground. So, to back it up is just like backing a trailer, which is not as easy as lifting a 3PH mounted mower completely off the ground and backing it up.

The advantage of the pull type in my opinion is that it follows the contours of the ground better than a 3 point hitch mounted cutter. On a 3 point mounted cutter (or any implement), when the nose of the tractor goes down, the implement mounted to the back comes up. Vice versa when the nose of the tractor goes up. Since the pull-type mower (or other implement) is just connected to the drawbar and is not rigidly mounted, the ups and downs of the tractor don't affect it that way, and it has the gauge wheels on the back of the mower to keep the cutting height consistent.

My personal preference is pull type mowers and equipment. I just think they're easier to use unless you have a lot of tight quarters to get into or have to maneuver around a lot of objects. Unfortunately, I do so my mower is a 3 point hitch version. I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority on my preference. I think most people prefer the conveniences of 3PH mounted equipment.

One other consideration is weight. A 10 foot mower is heavy - probably 2,000 - 2,500 pounds depending on how well it's built. The 5075 or 5085 should have plenty of 3 point lifting capacity to handle that, but you may need some weight on the front end of the tractor. (You don't want to lift the mower and have the front end of the tractor get light or come off the ground, which can be very dangerous.) That can be accomplished either by leaving the front end loader and bucket on while you mow or, if you don't have a FEL or if you take the FEL off to mow, adding front suitcase weights.

 

[bilrus61]

Are you talking simi-mount with a hydraulic cylinder to raise and lower the rear axle? If you are and have any backing up to do or tight areas to mow get the simi-mount (hydraulic). If your mowing a big wide open field the pull behind would work best for you in that case. Neither will tax whichever tractor you get. You'll have extendable lift arms with those tractors and that make hooking up pretty easy. In fact I think it might be actually easier to hook up a simi-mount by yourself than a tow behind.

 

[trook]

I have a 3 point hitch MX-8 that I purchased with a 5075e cab. I haven't been able to use the cutter yet, but I can tell you that it is very heavy behind the 5075. It weighs around 1700 lbs. The tractor will handle it and should have plenty of hp, but you must have the FEL or weights on the front of the tractor if you are going to use the cutter. All 4 of my tires are also loaded.

I'm sure the 5085 will handle a 10ft 3 point hitch MX-10, but it will definitely be HEAVY, and you will need to have weights or the FEL attached. Poopdeck Pappy did a good job of explaining the difference between a 3ph and hydraulic cutter. It just depends on what works best for you. I would prefer the pull behind if I didn't have to trailer my equipment.

 

[gabby]

I prefer pull type by far. Turning with the 3ph type can take out fence posts or slam into nearby trees as it swings around, plus on uneven ground it will seem like it can't decide which rear wheel needs to be on the ground.

 

[bravo2zero]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the responses from everyone greatly and it's going to help with my decision. I'm surprised that the 5075e has difficulties pulling the MX8. The JD dealer is telling me that I could pull a 10MX with the 5085E with no problem, and same with the 75e and MX8. But reading what "trook" wrote has me scratching my head.

 

[bravo2zero]

Poopdeck pappy, thank you so much for the lengthy response. I had no idea that it was so complex purchasing a mower for either of the two tractors. But after listening to everyone, I might go with the pull behind.

I'm not sure what you mean by "MX10 with hydraulics" vs the pull-type MX10. I assume you mean a 3 point hitch (3PH) mount vs. a pull type.

If my assumption is correct, then yes, the 3PH version will "get around corners better" and is more maneuverable in general because you can lift the whole cutter completely off the ground with the 3PH. The pull type uses a hydraulic cylinder attached to the gauge wheel mechanism to raise and lower the cutting height, but the mower is attached to the tractor via the drawbar and the mower's gauge wheels are always on the ground. So, to back it up is just like backing a trailer, which is not as easy as lifting a 3PH mounted mower completely off the ground and backing it up.

The advantage of the pull type in my opinion is that it follows the contours of the ground better than a 3 point hitch mounted cutter. On a 3 point mounted cutter (or any implement), when the nose of the tractor goes down, the implement mounted to the back comes up. Vice versa when the nose of the tractor goes up. Since the pull-type mower (or other implement) is just connected to the drawbar and is not rigidly mounted, the ups and downs of the tractor don't affect it that way, and it has the gauge wheels on the back of the mower to keep the cutting height consistent.

My personal preference is pull type mowers and equipment. I just think they're easier to use unless you have a lot of tight quarters to get into or have to maneuver around a lot of objects. Unfortunately, I do so my mower is a 3 point hitch version. I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority on my preference. I think most people prefer the conveniences of 3PH mounted equipment.

One other consideration is weight. A 10 foot mower is heavy - probably 2,000 - 2,500 pounds depending on how well it's built. The 5075 or 5085 should have plenty of 3 point lifting capacity to handle that, but you may need some weight on the front end of the tractor. (You don't want to lift the mower and have the front end of the tractor get light or come off the ground, which can be very dangerous.) That can be accomplished either by leaving the front end loader and bucket on while you mow or, if you don't have a FEL or if you take the FEL off to mow, adding front suitcase weights.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I have an 83E and an mx10 full 3pt hitch mount. I can def tell its back there when I lift it. I won't run it without my compliment of suitcase weights or the loader on. The 83E runs it pretty well unless I hit a gopher mound or scalp the ground then you better be quick on the hitch or you will stall the tractor. Its great knocking down 10 swaths of land. I'd never go back to a pull type brush hog. Semi or full mount only for this guy.

 

[trook]

Bravo2zero,

I need to clarify something. Please do not let my earlier post discourage you. the 75e has plenty of power to LIFT the mx8. The 75e will NOT have trouble PULLING or TURNING the mx8. The 5075e would probably even pull and turn the mx10 blades just fine in all but the tallest and thickest grass. I do feel, however, that a 3-point mx10 is too much weight to hang off the back of the 75e.

What I was talking about considering is the WEIGHT of the cutter, meaning that the front end of my 75e is light with a 3 point mx8 cutter on the back if you don't have a FEL or weights on the front. For example, I cannot load my 5075e tractor onto a trailer with my 3 point mx8 attached unless I have the FEL on front because the front tires will pop a wheelie when I drive up the ramps. This is due to all of all the weight hanging off the back of the tractor. You will not feel the weight of the cutter (not enough to matter) if it is a pull behind.

Personally, I believe the 5075 with a mx8 or a 5085 with a mx10 is a good match. I am simply saying you will want weights or a FEL on the front of the tractor is your cutter has a 3 point mount. If you are using a pull behind cutter, you will be fine without the weight up front to counter-balance.

 

[trook]

Bravo2zero,

I need to clarify something. Please do not let my earlier post discourage you. the 75e has plenty of power to LIFT the mx8. The 75e will NOT have trouble PULLING or TURNING the mx8. The 5075e would probably even pull and turn the mx10 blades just fine in all but the tallest and thickest grass. I do feel, however, that a 3-point mx10 is too much weight to hang off the back of the 75e.

What I was talking about considering is the WEIGHT of the cutter, meaning that the front end of my 75e is light with a 3 point mx8 cutter on the back if you don't have a FEL or weights on the front. For example, I cannot load my 5075e tractor onto a trailer with my 3 point mx8 attached unless I have the FEL on front because the front tires will pop a wheelie when I drive up the ramps. This is due to all of all the weight hanging off the back of the tractor. You will not notice the weight of the cutter (not enough to matter) if it is a pull behind.

Personally, I believe the 5075 with a mx8 or a 5085 with a mx10 is a good match. I am simply saying you will want weights or a FEL on the front of the tractor if your cutter has a 3 point mount. If you are using a pull behind cutter, you will be fine without the weight up front to counter-balance.

 

[econometrics]

Got the MX10 semi-mount with the new hydraulic offset feature, like this guy did. This set up is sweet!

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305129

 

[TripleR]

We have a Woods 10' 3PH and 10' pull type, the 3PH hasn't been on our tractor since we bought the pull type. We have some very hilly land with pond levies and the tractor is much more stable with the pull type which more than makes up for loss in maneverability and as mentioned, no fences have been lost since the change to pull type.

What works best for one won't for another.

 

[Verticaltrx]

For the size tractors you are looking at definitely go with the pull-type. Honestly, you probably need a 6000 series Deere to handle a 10' 3pt hitch mower. There is a big difference in a tractor physically being able to use an implement and handling it properly.

 

[bravo2zero]

Thank you to everyone that posted a comment and their experience, it was very much and is appreciated! I'm a little confused considering there are mixed opinions.

 

[bravo2zero]

What is the pros and cons of the hydraulic offset feature, as pictured in your url. Nice tractor

Got the MX10 semi-mount with the new hydraulic offset feature, like this guy did. This set up is sweet!

2014 JD85E

 

[Dishpointer]

What is the pros and cons of the hydraulic offset feature, as pictured in your url. Nice tractor

With the hydraulic offset feature, you are able to shift the mower to the side so you can mow next to fences/buildings/ditches/tree-line and keep your tractor out and away from these obstructions.

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[Poopdeck Pappy]

Bravo2zero,

I need to clarify something. Please do not let my earlier post discourage you. the 75e has plenty of power to LIFT the mx8. The 75e will NOT have trouble PULLING or TURNING the mx8. The 5075e would probably even pull and turn the mx10 blades just fine in all but the tallest and thickest grass. I do feel, however, that a 3-point mx10 is too much weight to hang off the back of the 75e.

What I was talking about considering is the WEIGHT of the cutter, meaning that the front end of my 75e is light with a 3 point mx8 cutter on the back if you don't have a FEL or weights on the front. For example, I cannot load my 5075e tractor onto a trailer with my 3 point mx8 attached unless I have the FEL on front because the front tires will pop a wheelie when I drive up the ramps. This is due to all of all the weight hanging off the back of the tractor. You will not feel the weight of the cutter (not enough to matter) if it is a pull behind.

Personally, I believe the 5075 with a mx8 or a 5085 with a mx10 is a good match. I am simply saying you will want weights or a FEL on the front of the tractor is your cutter has a 3 point mount. If you are using a pull behind cutter, you will be fine without the weight up front to counter-balance.

Very good advice. Having the front end come up off the ramps as you're driving onto a trailer is not something I ever want to do again.

 

[bravo2zero]

Again, thanks everyone... A lot to learn.

 

[dieselscout80]

With the hydraulic offset feature, you are able to shift the mower to the side so you can mow next to fences/buildings/ditches/tree-line and keep your tractor out and away from these obstructions.

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Dishpointer, what brand/kind of mower is that?

I want one.