Mx5100 let me down!

flyingcow · Mar 4, 2012

CJBOTA- any chance you remember the name of the wood boiler? Was it your typical OWB? Or a long sub like unit?

CJBOTA · Mar 4, 2012

Flyingcow,
Don't know the brand name. But it was huge. Shaped like a small storage shed. He said it was a steal at $3000. I was just able to get the bucket high enough to clear the roof with about 6" to spare.
CJ

flyingcow · Mar 4, 2012

Some of those units are crazy heavy. My units an indoor boiler, about half the size of a frig. just under 1200lbs.

The soft ground and high pick was a bad combo. It's bad feeling when you think you're going over.

General Lee · Mar 5, 2012

LD1 said:
Probabally not as much as the mud you had packed around your front axle in your avitar:laughing: Got a story behind that pic:licking:

Seriously though, according to what I could find online, asphalt is ~145lb/cu ft. And my L3400 heaped I think is like 9 cu/ft (1/3 yd) so your 1ft wider bucket should be closer to 11 or 12 cu-ft heaped.So thats somewhere between 1600 and 1800lbs. Just guessing though. Which probabally isnt bad since the capacity of your loader is like ~1550lbs @ bucket center. Asphalt is a good bit heavier than sand, stone, or dirt by volume as you can see. Same volume of sand would have been ~500lbs less.

Also keep in mind that the loaders on the economy L-series arent nearly as strong as kubotas grand and M models. They arent as strong as some of the competition, but except for rare ocassions, they dont need much more.

Well, one day I decided I was gonna try and cross the creek with my tractor and knew the shore/edge line was soft in certain places. So I tried another area and instead of getting off the tractor and checking the area first, I just went for it. Well the mud was well camouflaged by leaves and down I went. Luckily the rears were still on solid ground so with diff. Locked and help from the loader I got out. I'm gonna build a bridge to get the creek in the near future.

If your calculations are correct or close to the weight of asphalt millings, then I really can't complain about the loaders performance that day. Thanks for that info:thumbsup:

LD1 · Mar 5, 2012

General Lee said:
Well, one day I decided I was gonna try and cross the creek with my tractor and knew the shore/edge line was soft in certain places. So I tried another area and instead of getting off the tractor and checking the area first, I just went for it. Well the mud was well camouflaged by leaves and down I went. Luckily the rears were still on solid ground so with diff. Locked and help from the loader I got out. I'm gonna build a bridge to get the creek in the near future.

If your calculations are correct or close to the weight of asphalt millings, then I really can't complain about the loaders performance that day. Thanks for that info:thumbsup:

Not really sere about the "millings", I just googled "how much does asphalt weigh per cubic foot" and 145lbs seemed common.

Let us know and take pleanty of pics if/when you decide to do that bridge:thumbsup:

High Compression · Mar 5, 2012

I loaded my L5740 tires with RimGuard and it made a HUGE difference. 1298 lbs of difference to be exact. This is my 3rd Kubota that I have loaded the rears with the stuff and I'll never own another without doing it first thing.

CJBOTA · Mar 5, 2012

Yea, now that I have had to think about it I feel bad about the title of my thread. I guess I shouldn't have said it let me down when I tried to do something stupid. However, the MX5100 does need alot of ballest when using the bucket. I'm sure that new back hoe will work just fine.
CJ

General Lee · Mar 5, 2012

CJBOTA said:
Yea, now that I have had to think about it I feel bad about the title of my thread. I guess I shouldn't have said it let me down when I tried to do something stupid. However, the MX5100 does need alot of ballest when using the bucket. I'm sure that new back hoe will work just fine.
CJ

Don't feel bad, my L4400 is the same way. Quite scary with no ballast. My rears are filled but its no where near enough.

beppington · Mar 5, 2012

It's not too difficult to get my back wheels off the ground even with loaded tires & a 600 lb grading scraper hanging off the back. So I'd say that if you want to be able to really utilize your loader, loaded tires are a must. And something very heavy on your 3 point hitch is probably a must, too.

In fact, just yesterday I was lifting underbrush out of an area full of saplings. As I was backing up, a bent over sapling caught the end of the far-right tooth of my grapple bucket, & even that caused the back wheels to come off the ground. I was a little :shocked:

TripleR · Mar 5, 2012

beppington said:
It's not too difficult to get my back wheels off the ground even with loaded tires & a 600 lb grading scraper hanging off the back. So I'd say that if you want to be able to really utilize your loader, loaded tires are a must. And something very heavy on your 3 point hitch is probably a must, too.

In fact, just yesterday I was lifting underbrush out of an area full of saplings. As I was backing up, a bent over sapling caught the end of the far-right tooth of my grapple bucket, & even that caused the back wheels to come off the ground. I was a little :shocked:

My box blade is close to 700 pounds and is not enough, so when possible, I use my 1000+ cutter. I have some sections of RR track to put on my bb when my son can get around to cutting them to length.

LD1 · Mar 5, 2012

Yep, ballast is a must. I use a 700lb blade behind me + loaded tires. And my L3400 is ALOT smaller than you guys' tractors:thumbsup:

beppington · Mar 5, 2012

TripleR said:
My box blade is close to 700 pounds and is not enough, so when possible, I use my 1000+ cutter. I have some sections of RR track to put on my bb when my son can get around to cutting them to length.

More importantly ... where did you get RR track??! I could come up with some uses for some of those :thumbsup:

TripleR · Mar 5, 2012

beppington said:
More importantly ... where did you get RR track??! I could come up with some uses for some of those :thumbsup:

A RR company discontinued service on tracks that went through our property about eighteen years ago and merged with another company. They came through and picked up all of the track and ties as well as the heavy rock on the top, but let us have the gravel that formed the bed.

We let our renters have the gravel for cleaning it up and we also picked some up with our tractor and dump truck to use on our roads. Our renters also hauled some for us. While digging the bed up, we found two fourteen foot sections of RR buried. At the time, we had no use for them, so my father in law and I took them back off one of our roads and put them off to the side so no one would get them as we knew someone would and knew some day we would find something to do with them.

Well, as so often happens, over time, we forgot all about them and my father in law died. Last year while working along one of our roads, I saw something in the brush and decided to see what it was. It wasn't until, I uncovered them that I remembered putting them there.

We are guarding them like gold as no one seems to know where you can get them. They use to be fairly common as my dad used sections as anvils.

Now I just have to be sure all my kids know where the other one is as I only took one out.

5030 · Mar 5, 2012

TripleR said:
My box blade is close to 700 pounds and is not enough, so when possible, I use my 1000+ cutter. I have some sections of RR track to put on my bb when my son can get around to cutting them to length.

Back when I had my 5030 it got light on the backend ocassionally so I went to TSC and bought one of those right angle pallet lifters, welded on a sheet metal box and filled it with concrete. I had to weld on a pair of angle supports to. I bet it weighs nearly 1000 pounds. Don't use it anymore and now it's a toe stubber....lol

Someone wants it and they are nearby, they can come and get it for free..... It's for a Cat 1-2 3 point and I'll load it on a pickup or trailer. How you get it off is your problem.....

k0ua · Mar 5, 2012

I have 750 lbs on the back of My L3400HST and loaded tires, and last weekend I was nose down a steep grade (only kind of grade we have here in branson

) I was trying to pick up a big piece of concrete out on the ends of the forks, and the wife said the tires came up off of the ground.. I did not notice..

The times before when I have hooked on to a big rock on flatter ground, the relieve kicked in before the tires lifted, but maybe downhill.. not so much!

James K0UA

don white · Mar 5, 2012

Up high all lifting equipment is dangerous. Think of a triangle and understand that as the triangle gets longer it gets much more unstable at the base. Levers and all that. When ever I question a load I lift very slowly. Very very slowly. That way if the wheels lift off I am ready for it and can just drop the load. Yes it happens fast. I hate that feeling. I was pushing some rock around just last week and a back wheel lifted off.

Did you have the seat belt on? Remember if it goes don't try and jump, just hold on.

TripleR · Mar 5, 2012

5030 said:
Back when I had my 5030 it got light on the backend occasionally so I went to TSC and bought one of those right angle pallet lifters, welded on a sheet metal box and filled it with concrete. I had to weld on a pair of angle supports to. I bet it weighs nearly 1000 pounds. Don't use it anymore and now it's a toe stubber....lol

Someone wants it and they are nearby, they can come and get it for free..... It's for a Cat 1-2 3 point and I'll load it on a pickup or trailer. How you get it off is your problem.....

Sounds like a good idea. I have considered fixing something up like that or a concrete filled barrel as my bb sometimes gets in the way in tight woods.

k0ua said:
I have 750 lbs on the back of My L3400HST and loaded tires, and last weekend I was nose down a steep grade (only kind of grade we have here in branson) I was trying to pick up a big piece of concrete out on the ends of the forks, and the wife said the tires came up off of the ground.. I did not notice.. The times before when I have hooked on to a big rock on flatter ground, the relieve kicked in before the tires lifted, but maybe downhill.. not so much!

James K0UA

James, our hills are nothing compared to yours, but even with the 1000 pound cutter, I have picked the rear end off the ground a bit backing out of a ditch or gulley with a full bucket. Like you, I really don't notice it, but I pretty much know when it is going to happen and it comes down pretty quick. I keep the bucket really low.

CJBOTA · Mar 6, 2012

I saw the guy who owns the furnace I tried to lift. He said it turns the furnace almost weighs 2000 lbs. If I had know that I wouldn't have even tried to lift it at that height. Another lesson learned, question what people tell you, especially when it looked heavier. That thing was about 4' wide x 7' lg. x 6' high at the peak of the roof.
CJ

Martian · Mar 7, 2012

CJBOTA said:
I saw the guy who owns the furnace I tried to lift. He said it turns the furnace almost weighs 2000 lbs. If I had know that I wouldn't have even tried to lift it at that height. Another lesson learned, question what people tell you, especially when it looked heavier. That thing was about 4' wide x 7' lg. x 6' high at the peak of the roof.
CJ

To make that 2000 pounds and lift it that high without typing over without enough ballast in the rear makes that a really good lift IMHO!

flyingcow · Mar 7, 2012

CJBOTA said:
I saw the guy who owns the furnace I tried to lift. He said it turns the furnace almost weighs 2000 lbs. If I had know that I wouldn't have even tried to lift it at that height. Another lesson learned, question what people tell you, especially when it looked heavier. That thing was about 4' wide x 7' lg. x 6' high at the peak of the roof.
CJ

I figured it was a biggie.