My garden is basically a huge PIB !!!

   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!!
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#51  
I just came back indoors, looked out my kitchen window and even with my bad eyes and no glasses I can see a half dozen sandhill cranes, four mid sized deer, and a flock of about 20 wild turkeys in the cornfield that borders our property. Should thank the guy that farms the land his crops are a great decoy !!!!
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #52  
Started it back in '97 with a few tomatoes, gradually kept expanding it until today it measures about 30'X60'. We live in the country, meaning wildlife abounds, I took the cats out at 7 am this morning and I could see three rabbits in the yard even without my glasses. And there are numerous deer, possums, skunks, etc. so of course anything planted has to be protected. Hmm, the last two years I have redone the fence, dug holes for 20 treated landscape posts and set them in concrete...$160 for posts and concrete alone. Then I built a 4 foot hinged gate, and a 10 foot movable gate...probably $50 for lumber and hardware there. Replaced all 5 foot high fence wire, even cheap stuff cost $160 for 200 feet. Then add another $80 for two foot high rabbit gard mesh...PLUS ALL THE LABOR TO DO THIS...

Now that the fence is done, lets get to the real S--- about country gardening here...take a look at the attachment. Those planters were bare soil five weeks ago, the field across the road has 5 foot high weeds and quackgrass growing wild, guess which way the wind usually blows here? Meaning any and all bare soil in planters, flowerbeds, GARDENS, etc quickly becomes full of quackgrass sprouts and roots, and it's next to impossible to keep them free of the stuff. The only way I can possibly have a garden free of weeds and quackgrass is to use that black landscape fabric to cover EVERYTHING EXCEPT MY VEGGIES. I so envy those who can plant seeds and sets in their soil and not have them quickly and permanently overgrown with the unwanted vegetation. I have tried using weed and grass killer, it works for two weeks,and then yet ANOTHER new crop of seeds begins sprouting.

Have you priced landscape fabric recently? Can you imagine having to use enough of it to cover an 1800 square foot garden area? Can you imagine the headache trying to put down 1800 square feet of the fabric when the wind is almost always blowing?

And my wife wonders why I come in late in the afternoon grumbling under my breath "Frickin garden is more bother than it's worth".

Thanks for letting me rant...:laughing:


That's a funny post. Funny, sad and typical all in one.

My garden is 3 times the size of yours.

I don't have a weed problem and I don't use any fabric, never have and it's not fenced in and I live in the country too (I farm).

We have outside cats. Those keep the rabbits away and if they crap in the garden, it's fertilizer anyway.

I fertilize my plot with cattle manure in the fall. In the spring I till it early and spray the whole thing with a 10 day herbicide, then plant 2 weeks later. No weeds until the plants have sprouted enough that I can get in and selective rototill between the rows and cultivate in between the plants.

The key to having a weed free garden is getting a jump on the weeds early on and staying with the program.

Our garden provides potatoes, peppers, cabbage for sauer kraut, brocolli, cauiflower and sweet corn for the winter months but it takes some work.

Get off your duff and go weed. It's good therapy.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #53  
I just came back indoors, looked out my kitchen window and even with my bad eyes and no glasses I can see a half dozen sandhill cranes, four mid sized deer, and a flock of about 20 wild turkeys in the cornfield that borders our property. Should thank the guy that farms the land his crops are a great decoy !!!!

I also own and use firearms. Venison is a wonderful meat. So is groundhog and rabbit.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!!
  • Thread Starter
#54  
That's a funny post. Funny, sad and typical all in one.

My garden is 3 times the size of yours.

I don't have a weed problem and I don't use any fabric, never have and it's not fenced in and I live in the country too (I farm).

We have outside cats. Those keep the rabbits away and if they crap in the garden, it's fertilizer anyway.

I fertilize my plot with cattle manure in the fall. In the spring I till it early and spray the whole thing with a 10 day herbicide, then plant 2 weeks later. No weeds until the plants have sprouted enough that I can get in and selective rototill between the rows and cultivate in between the plants.

The key to having a weed free garden is getting a jump on the weeds early on and staying with the program.

Our garden provides potatoes, peppers, cabbage for sauer kraut, brocolli, cauiflower and sweet corn for the winter months but it takes some work.

Get off your duff and go weed. It's good therapy.

I envy those who do not have a weed problem and do not need a fence. So how do you keep deer from raiding your garden? We do not permit our cats outdoors except supervised.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #55  
Do you find that the hay brings in weed seed or diseases? I've often worried about that being the case. Seems like it would be cheaper than landscape/weed cloth.

I personally worried about fungus in the hay. So far so good the last 2 seasons. I cant grow squash and Zuks to save my life the Borresrs get to them unless i put sevin daily on them.

Others said the weed seed think and grass. Heres my point. Last year was the first year i tilled some parts up and did not kill the grass first. So i basically was gooing to have grass no matter what that year. Put hay down basically no problem, say 3 minutes of weeding by hand each time you visit to pick the sprouts in sparsely coverd areas. Personally i think this is somes cop out, this thread after all is about WEED FILLED gardens, how can you have any more than some of the discriptions we have gotten?

This is my second year, with hay. Before the season i killed all the grass weeds with Glyphosate first. MOstly some broad leafed purple flower thing? BUT i did have say 3-4 fescue clumps (in lets say 700sqft?) that i attributed to the hay bringing the seed in. When i say clumps thats what i mean 6" diameter clumps, a single plant. The glyphosate took care of the fescue far easier than the puple flower thing, it was to cold really to do any good when i sprayed.

So far my experience is with no problems related to grass and or disease. I used fresh hay not old rotted hay so that may help. I paid $20 for the round bale best $20 i spent and it lasted me 2 years, with the hay tarped on top between seasons. Hay also helps hold in your moisture.

I cant grow squash and Zuk to save my life short of sevin daily. The borrers kill the stuff like crazy. My freinds dont do a thing and they dont have any. Any yes they were a problem before i used the hay.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #56  
We do not permit our cats outdoors except supervised.

I always laugh when i hear you say you let the cats out in the mourning. I think you may be the only one i have heard do this. I do have cats as well, the wife is a vet asssitant, they keep following her home!
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #57  
about the deer fence, I read an article a few years ago that Penn State had done a study for deer fence and found that taking an electric fence and leaning the posts out worked well. They said the deer always try and go under a fence first by leaning it out they duck the first strand but get zapped by the second. I also saw a fence made from rails designed to keep elk out again the fence leaned out, They must not be smart enough to know they could jump it and keep trying to go under. Biggest problem I have is with the bears they just don't give a rats behind.

Deer have a hard time seeing a good landing spot when you present a challenging depth perception barrier. If you don't go high then you have to make this multi-dimensional barrier like angled out fencing, 2 short fences with short separation, stone wall and fence, etc.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #58  
I was given a quart of Post herbicide (expensive stuff!) from a farmer friend yesterday and its for controlling grass and is supposedly safe around the crops I am growing like onions and tomatoes and corn, okra, potatoes.

So if it works I will post my results the grass is my biggest problem in around the onions especially so if this stuff is all he says it is that should simplify my gardening considerably and give my onions some space I have 600 in this year and 150,000 grass.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #59  
No offense but it seems like most of you just don't know how to garden cheaply or correctly. If you start your own seeds you get plants for pennies or free. Mulch can be had for free and not only prevents weeds but also enriches the soil and keeps it moist when it doesn't rain. Use heavy layers of straw,non shiny newspaper,compost,etc. Raised beds help when the ground is wet. Electric fence set up correctly will keep out most large critters and is a one time purchase. Lead spray(think firearms)does wonders. I have an active "relocation" program for wildlife(the freezer). My motto is if I can see it by my house it's gotta go. I didn't have time to read every post but there is a solution for every problem. I'll be glad to help.
 
   / My garden is basically a huge PIB !!! #60  
Do you find that the hay brings in weed seed or diseases? I've often worried about that being the case. Seems like it would be cheaper than landscape/weed cloth.

i have an old collection of garden books collected over the years; the best and more interesting of them are organic. Most of the problems cited in this thread are just retreads of problems people always have had.

Hay and mulch are very simple things and solve most of your garden issues. Weed seed is brought in by everything, your soil contains hundreds of thousands of weed seeds.

Hay is the short cut.

Hay is basically a mulch; we have tons of it as we don't mow all of our rural property. So easy to make too, but don't let our way of doing it shock you too much. Um, we make hay by just pulling the long grass with our hands and stacking it in a mulch pile.

that's it, and free!

That's the difference between the $64 tomato and free. i note that many resort to dumping a truck load of money on a problem hoping it will go away. Sometimes it does.

Hay is free and grows every where in the Rural areas. Same for leaves and other materials. We get truck loads of compost from the Dairys around, just pay for trucking. Compost (composted manure) solves most of your other issues. Almost free too, sorry don't know where i can get a free dump truck with free gas.

Try putting hay or mulch around your tomatoes. When the heat comes the tomatoes are able to resist it. The weeds don't like growing through the mulch, so they don't. The worms love eating mulch, so they do and then feed the tomatoes, much better fertilizer than the junk in the bag.

Soil is a living medium and does better if not treated like a chemistry set. Read Edward Faulkner's book 'Soil Development', he took a worn out farm and added nothing to it, the soil has everything it needs to rejuvenate itself if properly cared for. Even the bugs go away when the plants are healthy, they like to chump on $64 tomatoes instead. Free tomatoes are not as tastey to pests, so tend not to bother them.

Edward Faulkner is an extreme organic gardener, but he wanted to prove a point that God created the world right in the first place, so he worked with the worst and produced the best crops around. His book 'Plowmans Folly' was a best seller. In this book he opposed deep moldboard plowing because the plow would take the deep subsoil and put it on top of the soil, burying the top soil and destroying organic matter in the process.

And then we got the dust bowls in the thirties.

Faulkner is a hero of American agriculture, a County extension agent that thought outside the box and was not afraid of the naysayers and gloomers. Today i note these moldboard plows are not used much where i live, we used to get dust bowls in the spring, but now the disc is what the farmers use to prep the soil, nice move. Faulkner also approved of the chisel plow for breaking up hard pan and any lite plowing that did not bring the subsoil up.

My Rototiller saves me from the weeds, it seems best to grow 2-3 rows of vegies close together and have 3 feet of space between them for the roto tiller to cultivate the weeds. Even better is to have a mulch between rows and this happens as we pull more hay.

We don't use fencing either. Living in a rural area there are thousands of acres of corn and beans growing, my little garden of corn and beans is hardly noticed by the criters. We grow extra any way, stuff happens to anyone.

Pulling hay with your hands? Must be work? Everything is work, we ride our bicycles, fish, and play; can never understand that argument.

Maybe they mean it is harder than watching TV? :confused2:
 

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