My homemade TopNTilt/4th&5th control valve

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Rch and Henro,

Thanks for your praise. The FEL is an original design…didn’t use any CAD…just looked at a lot of pictures (on the Web) as well as looking at the Kubota FEL (pictures only…as the dealer didn’t have one on the lot). Then I began making components out of wood to come up with all the hinge points, lengths, etc. The articulating bucket linkage was interesting. I kept making pieces out of wood and trial fitting only to find out that something would bind up at some point. I would redesign the piece and go through the motions again….raising the lift arms and watching the bucket to make sure it stayed lever as well as checking dump and roll back at the bottom and top of the lift.

I don’t remember for sure, but I would say I had the design worked out in a week. I’m sure that a smart guy with a CAD program could have whipped one out much quicker….but, what can I say.

I used my acetylene rig to cut out some of the larger pieces (that would be a rough cut, 1/8” to 3/16” from the line). I would then use my angle head grinder to grind down to the line. The smaller pieces (most of these are 3/8”) were cut out on Delta metal cutting band saw and then got the grinder treatment to finish up.

One of the main reasons I wanted the bucket to stay level was because I planned to replace the bucket with a set of forks from time to time and I wanted to be able to just level out the forks, lower the lift arms, poke the forks under something and simply raise the lift arms and drive away.

With all that said, it’s been a rather long project….one that I probably wouldn’t do again. I always seem to spend way too much time on a project….seems as though I’m always coming up with additional ideas during the building process or ways to do it better. I cut the ends off of my tilt cylinder once and welded them back on. And now, after some more thought and hem hawing around, I think I’m going to cut them off again, /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif make a slight adjustment (for clearance) and weld them back on. That’s just the way it goes….love that band saw….just secure something in there, turn on the saw and go about your business until you hear a (Clang) and you know the cut is finished…the saw shuts off automatically.

Henro, you asked about the welder I use. I guess it was around 1994 when I bought a Miller 250MP (the MP stands for Micro Processor) they don’t make em’ any more. I love it…. however, I’ve learned through trial and error that I need to select a heat range that’s just a little higher than recommend. You’ve got to get good penetration and you can’t do that with the welder voltage set to low…you’ll wind up with what they call a cold weld. It will look kind of like someone used a glue gun to melt some globs of steel or like the old timers use to say, it’ll look like a Turkey came by and took a squirt on it (I cleaned that one up a little bit). Oh well, welding is fun and all it takes is practice, practice, practice and a little instruction is always good.

I began welding in the early 70’s when I was building a home built airplane (Steen Skybolt) …used 4130 steel tubing…(.035 and .049 wall thickness) that’s thin stuff. I bought a acetylene rig and had a friend give me some instruction. It wasn’t long before I was able to make nice welds (practice, practice, practice). I’ve always heard that once you learn how to gas weld it makes learning how to use a stick, tig or wire welder much easier. You’ve just got to get a grasp of the basic art of watching the puddle and running it along the path….a little faster…or a little slower…or maybe a little more heat and so on.

You’ll love the welding course…it’s really fun.

OK, I quit…I’ve blown enough hot air /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif….good luck with your welding class and projects.

DW
 
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Hey, it wasn't hot air. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif It was **** usefull for a novice fabricator like me. I'd be interested in a picture of the band saw vise/clamping set-up on the Delta band saw. I've got a clunker band saw that needs a better vise in order to handle 45 degree angles on wider, thicker and shorter stock. Like you say, pictures off the internet are invaluble /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
 
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DW,

Thanks for the comments on the welding...they pretty much echo what the instructor at the first welding class said...practice, practice, practice! Now I better hope I can actually strike an arc [next Sunday] so I can get some practice time in /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Keep feeding us pictures of [and info about] your projects...really enjoy looking at them and seeing/hearing about them sure does give one a desire to do more himself!
 
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Rch and Henro,

Thanks again for the comments. I used a Delta (model 20-330) 4"X 6" metal cutting band saw. If I could do it again, I'd buy a bigger one with a fluid pump...keeps the blade cool and the blades last longer....not to mention, you get a better, faster cut.

In addition, I used a Milwaukee 14" chop saw (model 6176-20). As a matter of fact, the one I'd been using for about 10 years finally went belly up last Saturday. Had to run down to Home Depot and get another one.

Those are a couple of tools you can't do without. Don't know that I could recommend one over the other. They both have their own areas of usefulness. Get em' both...you'll wonder how you ever got along without them.

Go to the scrap iron yard, buy some scrap and just start welding stuff together. Examine the weld after your finished. Clamp it up in a big ole vice and start whackin' it with your 2 lb. hammer. See if the weld breaks or you just bend the metal....it's suppose to be the latter....good welds shouldn't break!

If, or when you purchase a wire welder, get at least a 45 lb. spool of wire. When you've run all that wire through your machine, you should have the hang of it.

One last thought/suggestion as it relates to wire welders. I'd go with a Miller 250X or a Lincoln 250. These will handle up to 3/8" or 1/2" thick material. I use .035 wire and that pretty much limits me to 3/8"....not going to say that I haven't welded 1/2" with .035 because I have. I should have used .045 wire for the 1/2", but I didn't have any .045. So, I just cranked up the heat and got after it.

If your building tractor inplements and things such as that, then I would expect you'd be using a lot of 1/4" to 1/2" material. On the other hand, if you were doing automotive work, you'd be dealing with the frame...maybe 3/16" down to the thin sheet metal....are cars still made out of metal these days? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

So, pick the welder to fit your needs. Don't buy too small ah welder....you'll be sorry....in this case error on the too big side....you'll never be sorry!!!

Now just practice melting steel...watch the puddle....work it back and forth...crank up the heat...now watch it flow. I'd rather have too much heat any day than not enough.

Good luck with your welding class and future projects.

DW
 
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Thanks for the pointers, DW,

Bit the bullet and went to the welding supply store this afternoon and got a helmet, Jacket, hat and gloves...

Talked to a guy there about welders and told him I felt funny doing that, being that I had not ever even struck an arc yet /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I decided to buy an auto darkening helmet...following the lead of Gary in Indiana...who said it really helped him in the beginning...Won't be long before I'm down at the scrap yard...have to buy my own welder first though. The class I'm taking includes use of a welder and materials in the tuition...

Getting back to the subject line, I hope to make my own top and tilt setup, by welding the proper ends on cylinders that are the right lenght for my tractor... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Henro,

Jumpin' rignt in there, arent' cha....way to go!!!

Gary was right...an auto darkening helmet is another item that I've wondered how people ever got by without em'.

Good luck on the TNT setup. All the parts are going to be a little pricey, /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif but what the heck....go for it. When you get ready, email me and I'll supply you with a list and source for parts.

DW
 
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http://www.surpluscenter.com
Henro, here is a good source of hydraulic supplies including cylinders with compact ends so that the retracted length is short- a trick with TNT. The catalog pictures help visualize things and the prices are competative.
 
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Thanks Rch,

I have their hard copy catalog and only recently learned they have a web site.

Certainly worth a look for those who don't know about it yet!
 
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Bill,

I'm flattered you took my advice and glad you got an auto-darkening helmet. One other suggestion I might make is going to a production welding shop and asking them if you can "borrow" some of their scrap metal to use for practice.

I know that may sound odd, but all of the metal we used in my welding class came from just such a source. A local shop takes their smaller scraps there in bins and drops them off. We cut them to useable sizes and welded away. When we were done we just tossed them into another bin which, when full, the shop would pick up and then sell for scrap value.

When you think about it it actually makes good sense for everyone. The school system saves some money and, when it's all said and done, the scrap weighs more after having been used for the welding classes which probably comes close to covering their costs of picking up and delivering the bins. Everybody wins! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Great looking project! A big help.

I am having some trouble locating your souces. Can you provide more info on them?
 

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