My new 4300 project

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#61  
My deere dealer took mine apart the first time but I put it back together after having the head redone so I know the pain the fuel tank is. Thank you for all your information. Was your blow by grey and smell like exhaust.

It was grey/blue ish and smelled like an acrid mixture of oil vapor and exhaust. If I held my finger over the crankcase vent for 10 seconds and then took it off the gasses coming out sounded like an airbrake coming off park.
 
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Wow that seems like a fairly big difference. I just put a new top end in my RZR and the new pistons were down in the tenths, but perhaps they match them at the factory before sending them out. How are the ring gaps?

No idea on ring gaps, I'll find out if he checked them (this guy is pretty **** so I'm guessing he will). If not I'll measure before installing.

Word of warning, he had to order tooling to hone out the new upper rod bushings to size and is having a hard time finding the right size in stock anywhere. The correct size is on a long backorder. He's hoping fresh stones on the size below it will work, he ordered that one as well. This could take awhile. Evidently you don't just press in new bushings and everything falls together, you have to hone out the new ones after installation. I didn't know that.

I did drop $24 on 2-gallons of JD 10w-30 break in oil and a couple $12 JD oil filters. Also got a 5-gallon pail of +50 10w-30 JD engine oil for $93. It was 15% off at nortrax, but it still hurt a little.
 
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That's the stuff. My old man always swore by it in the farm tractors. Oddly enough I don't see 10w-30 +50 advertised anywhere but the notrax dealer had it on the shelf in gallons and pails. 10w-30 fits the temperature range much better than 15w-40. 5w-30 would be better yet but I never see that available for a reasonable price.
 
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I've been using Rotella T6 in my truck and next oil change I'll be putting it in the tractor too. It's a 5-40 and seems to hold up pretty well even after 5k miles. Auto zone sometimes has it for $40 per 2.5 gal jug and Shell offers a $5 rebate per gallon so it ends up being good value too.
 
   / My new 4300 project #67  
It's a 5-40 and seems to hold up pretty well even after 5k miles.

How does one tell if the oil is holding up well after any number of miles?

Just by looks, or by some test ??
 
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How does one tell if the oil is holding up well after any number of miles?

Just by looks, or by some test ??

It would have to be sent in to someone like blackstone, otherwise it's just speculation.
 
   / My new 4300 project #69  
Other oil my injectors would get really noisy after a while. They remain quiet now. That is what I am going by.
 
   / My new 4300 project #70  
tks.. so far with Deere oil have had no noisy injectors.
 
   / My new 4300 project #71  
Oil condition will not affect mechanical injection noise. My truck is HEUI.

Sorry to get off topic. Hopefully your machine work gets done sooner rather than later.
 
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Got the call last night that it's all done and ready to be picked up!
Going to be a busy weekend. Luckily it's supposed to snow so I won't have to make the fishing/garage decision.
 
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Started to tear mine down yesterday.
 
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Got the call last night that it's all done and ready to be picked up! Going to be a busy weekend. Luckily it's supposed to snow so I won't have to make the fishing/garage decision.

Good luck on your reassembly!
 
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Started to tear mine down yesterday.

Fun isn't it?

I started unwrapping all the parts from the machine shop and they did a really nice job for pretty cheap IMHO. They magnafluxed the head, ground the valves and seats, replaced valve seals, shotblasted and cleaned the head, bored+honed the block, replaced the cam bearings, cork polished the crank and measured it, replaced all the freeze plugs and cleaned the block, replaced the wrist pin pushers and honed to fit, then wrapped everything in shipping plastic. It was $300 which is quite a bit less than I expected.

I ended up buying a parts washer from TSC and that has been very useful. It's on casters and has a drying shelf and a lower shelf for $140. Same one as a lot of other places sell for $200+. It's really nice to give everything a rinse before coating in assembly lube and assembling. I also cleaned all the bolts and relubed so my torque settings are correct.
So far everything is going fairly smooth. My only real complaint is that the Deere manual is TERRIBLE for engine rebuilding. The engine section just skips around and addresses each individual component like that's the only thing you're replacing. No clean organization to the process like most manuals I have used. A real lack of diagrams too. Take plenty of pictures or notes when tearing down. There are three bolts that hold the front plate to the block and the manual only shows one. Don't forget to put the other two in, I almost did. Also, don't forget the two oil pump o-rings.
Also, be ready to assemble the timing cover, front plate, and rear hydraulic pump as quickly as you can. They are sealed with RTV and all of these components (including the idler, camshaft, and new front main seal) need to be installed and torqued before the RTV cures. If you have access to good seal drivers try to use them, especially the rear main. It's huge and really hard to get square.

The manual doesn't give a good procedure, but here is what I reccomend:
1) Crank (tap it back and forth to set thrust bearings. I plastigagued just to make sure and I had about 2.5 thou. I had about 4.5 thou of endplay. Well within spec.)
2) Pistons
3) Lifters ( I used a really long reach $3 harbor freight trash picker upper to put them on, no room to get your hand down there with the crank in. I don't think a magnet would be a good idea due to the risk of magnetizing the lifters so they start collecting particles.)
4) Oil pump o-rings
5) Front plate
6) Timing idler
7) Camshaft
8) Timing cover with new seal
9) Rear hydraulic pump
10) Oil pickup with new gasket
11) Oil pan
(this is how far I am so far)
12) Rear main seal plate with new seal (use long bolts and spacers for your engine stand to block so you have room to do this, otherwise it can be done while hanging from the hoist right before installing the engine)
13) Head
14) Pushrods
15) valve stem caps
16) Rocker shaft

As a last tip, I like to make a mark with a silver sharpie on the head of every bolt after torquing, helps to avoid forgetting to do a final torque on anything.


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Interesting comments above on John Deere manuals. All I'm going to say is that I have the opposite opinion. They are the best most thorough manuals I have used. There is very little running from section to section to get the whole job done. They repeat instructions for each section even if the same procedure is used in another area. I you want complete pictures then print off the appropriate parts diagrams. They are very helpful. If you want the opposite extreme use an I&T manual. You get the basic but are on your own for everything else.

All the best in putting your engine together.
 
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Interesting comments above on John Deere manuals. All I'm going to say is that I have the opposite opinion. They are the best most thorough manuals I have used. There is very little running from section to section to get the whole job done. They repeat instructions for each section even if the same procedure is used in another area. I you want complete pictures then print off the appropriate parts diagrams. They are very helpful. If you want the opposite extreme use an I&T manual. You get the basic but are on your own for everything else.

All the best in putting your engine together.

If we were talking about other deere manuals then I would agree, but the manual for this tractor (TM1677) isn't very good, at least for engine rebuilding. It jumps around in an illogical order. The yanmar TNE series manual is better (available online) but you have to convert everything from commie (mm/nm) to units of freedom (inch/ftlb).

The procedure for removing the engine from the tractor in the deere manual also recommends unnecessary work.
 
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Wow $300 is a steal for all that work. Hopefully I never have to do this project but thank you for posting your experience!
 
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head,valvetrain, valve cover on. been busy and haven't got as much done on the tractor as I would have liked to by this point. Next step is to get the engine painted and then in the tractor while I'm building an injector pop off tester.
 
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Built the injector tester out of a bottle jack and its working well. All three injectors have good looking sprays and are consistent pop off pressures (2710,2700,2700) , but are all low so I had to order 3 shim kits. Hopefully here by the weekend. Wish I'd tested them sooner so I could have had the parts here sooner, I was hoping to completely assemble the engine before putting it back in the tractor but I'll have to just cover everything up so I can put injectors in later.
 

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