Need a hydraulic pump for this chinese tractor but can't find any informations

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Hi, I want to help a friend who owns a KJT 6030 chinese tractor (2006 I think). Supposed to be 60HP. He needs a new hydraulic pump but I can't find anything about this tractor online!! A website listing pretty much all chinese tractor has KJT in there but no link or information.

It looks like a Jinma 604 like the one in this link but can't find much informations on this one neither:
[Hot Item] Tracteur (JINMA 604(4 RM))

So here are some pics of my friend's 60HP KJT tractor. The hydraulic pump isn't there (he took it to a shop to get it checked and the moron there lost it!) Hope we can get informations here to find a new pump and get this thing running again.

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   / Need a hydraulic pump for this chinese tractor but can't find any informations #2  
That would be the first 60 HP three cylinder engine I've seen. 40 HP tops. It looks just like my 30 HP TY395 engine.
Pumps are plentiful.


 
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For all practical purposes that looks like a Jinma tractor all right. A lot like my 2006 284, only bigger with more stylized hood and fenders. Jinma made tractors for a lot of different "brands" and there were differences between all of them but the base tractor was the same. Jinma made their own up through the 500 series that indeed were listed at 65 HP.

The 630 on the loader decal is just the number of the loader. Is there a number on the hood decal? In the pictures of both sides it is blocked from the view by the loader arms. Even so it may not be much use because the name KJT is not listed here: List of Tractors built by Jinma for other companies

Of more importance would be a data plate on the tractor itself. Usually there is one riveted to the inside of the fender. I can see a spot on the right fender near the rear where there may have been a data plate at one time, or it might have been something else mounted there. On my 284 it is on the left fender near where the toolbox is mounted, although I can't see a toolbox on this one. There may be a bracket in that area.

The casting date of 2006 is interesting, where was that located, on the engine? In any case, it is just a casting date. Of more importance is the data plate of the engine. A lot of times these are on the block but in many cases they are on the valve cover, usually on the left side. If you can't find that, then some of the information cast into the block may or may not be of some help.

As for the pump all the information about it should have been on a data plate or at least a sticker on the pump. That would have told you everything you needed. Did your friend take a picture of the pump before he took it to the "mechanic"? Loosing someone else's property is the height of unprofessional and boarders on theft in my book.

At any rate, all is not lost, just more difficult. You can measure the bolt pattern where the pump mounts. Then you can determine what was on the drive end of the pump. Was it a gear, at tab or some other design. Then you can measure from the mounting face to the point where the pump engages the drive. You want to be as accurate as possible with your measurements. Use metric. If possible watch the drive gear and turn the engine with a wrench in the direction it normally runs. What way does the drive turn?

This much info should narrow the search greatly. There may be other things like pump size and adapters needed to get to the hose fittings left on the tractor.

Affordable (listed above) and Circle G both have good online parts diagrams that you can browse through. They also have a lot of pictures of the parts themselves. Some time spent there looking around might show something that you or the owner recognize.

Let us know if you have any questions and by all means post more pictures of anything you think might be a clue.

Good luck and don't forget to post the final resolution when you get one, it will help others in the future.
 
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AAARRRGGG, the edit function is not working so I will post a follow up. ( I need more coffee and proofread before hitting send)

Since this is a 3 cylinder tractor it is not likely to be 60 HP but more like the 40 HP that Bob mentioned. (Bob you changed your avatar)

It may be a Jinma 300 series tractor. Who knows what 6030 means to KJT?
 
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I think it's likely a 30-35 HP engine. Need the engine nameplate pic to positively identify. Most all the engines of this size use the tang drive instead of a splined drive pump.
Yeah, the avatar depicts how I feel now with changing medical issues. Too bad I can't bury my head in the sand.
 
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There are 3 cylinder diesel engines putting out 60 HP out there, unless you meant specifically Chinese diesel engines.

Here is a 60HP VM 3 cylinder air cooled diesel engine:

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As far as the tractor in this thread, very little info online about it. Very hard to find anything to help the OP.
 
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If you are replacing the pump anyways I would seriously concider upping the gallons/minute of the hydraulic pump. As long as your hydraulic lines can handle the extra flow.
 
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There are 3 cylinder diesel engines putting out 60 HP out there, unless you meant specifically Chinese diesel engines.

Here is a 60HP VM 3 cylinder air cooled diesel engine:

As far as the tractor in this thread, very little info online about it. Very hard to find anything to help the OP.
Yes, we're talking Chinese engines. That engine reminds me of a Deutz. Yeah, the VM engines are put in automobiles, and not rated for continuous output. The 3-71 Detroit is rated at 113 HP and the 3-53 is rated at 98 HP, And the three cylinder Deutz max HP is 75, but there we're comparing apples to oranges. Back in the day, Johnson & Towers built a 250 HP 3-71 for pleasure craft. Stewart & Stevenson had similar hot rod Detroits.
Like I said earlier, we need a pic of the engine nameplate.
 
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If you are replacing the pump anyways I would seriously consider upping the gallons/minute of the hydraulic pump. As long as your hydraulic lines can handle the extra flow.
Flow isn't as critical as pressure, but that's determined by the relief valve setting in the control valves.
 
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Yes, we're talking Chinese engines. That engine reminds me of a Deutz. Yeah, the VM engines are put in automobiles, and not rated for continuous output. The 3-71 Detroit is rated at 113 HP and the 3-53 is rated at 98 HP, And the three cylinder Deutz max HP is 75, but there we're comparing apples to oranges. Back in the day, Johnson & Towers built a 250 HP 3-71 for pleasure craft. Stewart & Stevenson had similar hot rod Detroits.
Like I said earlier, we need a pic of the engine nameplate.
Not all VM engines are meant for automobiles. They had plenty of engines for tractors, generators and all kinds of equipment. This one in the pictures was from an Agrifull 60 tractor. I had VM engines on both of my crawlers, one 26HP - 2 cylinder and other 39HP - 3 cylinders.
 
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Not all VM engines are meant for automobiles. They had plenty of engines for tractors, generators and all kinds of equipment. This one in the pictures was from an Agrifull 60 tractor. I had VM engines on both of my crawlers, one 26HP - 2 cylinder and other 39HP - 3 cylinders.
Yes, even the Chinese have a 40 HP three cylinder engine, but I believe that's as far as they go. Interesting line up of VM engines:

 
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Thanks! Bob's information about the TY395 engine, the Tang drive and the links for the hydraulic pumps helped me a lot. And Piper184 was right, it looks like a Jinma 284 (same logo on tranny and seat) and some of them pretty much have the same hood. But from the pics I saw, they look smaller than the KJT 6030. That KJT has the size to be a 60HP tractor but you're right, this 3 cylinders engine (which should be 1.5L) isn't big enough to be 60HP. 40HP is a good guess.

Here is the plate on the engine. I haven't found anything with the informations on it so I forgot about showing it here.

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I could show you a picture where we can see the decal on the hood but KJT 6030 is the only thing written there. As for other tags, plate or anything helpful on the tractor, believe me I searched all around and found nothing except that date on the tranny you already saw (no tags on fenders, frame, engine block or anywhere else):

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I was there when we took the hydraulic pumps off and there was nothing written on it too (I can trust my eyes on this) but what I saw on CircleGtractorparts.com let me think the pump we need is the E314 in this link:

CBN-E314 Hydraulic Pump (old style) For TY395 Engines

They even sell that cross connector that got lost with the pump:

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And one of these diagrams to show where this pump is used REALLY looks like the hydraulics on my friend's KJT:

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So pretty sure we're on our way to something. Thank you! I'll get back to you once I get something useful to write.
 
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Here is the plate on the engine. I haven't found anything with the informations on it so I forgot about showing it here.

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Unfortunately that's not the engine builders nameplate. The importer replaced it with their own nameplate, or placed their own over it. Doesn't seem legal to me though because it doesn't state engine specifics for environmental purposes, for one thing.
 
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Yeah, good idea. Maybe they put this plate over the engine nameplate so I'll take this plate off to see if there's something behind it next time I'm going there.

Maybe they tried to hide the fact that this tractor is only 30 or 40HP and they where just telling BS or letting people think it has more HP because it is quite big.

What I found online to compare size is that a Jinma 284 has 9.5-24 rear tires with 1050mm diameter (41 3/8") and this KJT 6030 has 12.4-28 with 1260mm diameter (49 5/8"). We can tell just by looking at pictures too that the KJT is bigger.

This small Jinma 1.5L engine and tranny with bigger wheels and tires might be the reason the clucth is slipping when riding higher gear. Clucht isn't old, adjustment and freeplay are good but this things has trouble moving around like it should (don't even try to tow something up a small hill!)

Well... just another issue I'll have to look at. Thank you.
 
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Yeah, good idea. Maybe they put this plate over the engine nameplate so I'll take this plate off to see if there's something behind it next time I'm going there.

Maybe they tried to hide the fact that this tractor is only 30 or 40HP and they where just telling BS or letting people think it has more HP because it is quite big.

What I found online to compare size is that a Jinma 284 has 9.5-24 rear tires with 1050mm diameter (41 3/8") and this KJT 6030 has 12.4-28 with 1260mm diameter (49 5/8"). We can tell just by looking at pictures too that the KJT is bigger.

This small Jinma 1.5L engine and tranny with bigger wheels and tires might be the reason the clucth is slipping when riding higher gear. Clucht isn't old, adjustment and freeplay are good but this things has trouble moving around like it should (don't even try to tow something up a small hill!)

Well... just another issue I'll have to look at. Thank you.
A typical Chinese engine nameplate will look similar to this:
In this instance, 65 kW = 88.3 HP.

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Here is my engine data plate. Not much use except for comparison. Bob is right, at least here in the US I think removing a plate with EPA info is a no-no. At any rate they are supposed to be riveted or welded on, not held on with screws. My guess is the importer did this and the original is long gone. And anyone who does this is not going to freely share the info they removed.

When I was looking for a tractor there were several "importers" that would take your money up front, then when they had enough orders for a container full would send the $ to China. Then everybody waited until a ship showed up somewhere with that container. Then you had to arrange someone to go get your crate out of the box and get it too you. That was too risky for me and several of the importers seemed to be kinda shady to deal with. I was really relieved when I found a dealer that had tractors in the crate on the ground and was willing to ship it without putting it together first. Saved me enough that I could afford the shipping and I got to put it together.

If you get a chance, measure the wheel base and I will compare it to my 284. It is very possible that the importer stuck rims and tires on that tractor that don't belong, just to make it look bigger. There is always a demand for the original set so selling them as parts probably more than paid for the bigger ones. A couple of deceptive decals and a data plate and the profit margin just went way up!

Take a look at the documentation on my web site and feel free to keep copies for yourself. I'm a bit of a documentation nerd, just not with enough OCD to keep it organized....

 

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"If you get a chance, measure the wheel base and I will compare it to my 284''

My friend told me the measurement between the center of the front and rear axle is around 78 inches. By looking at your pictures and pictures online, I'm pretty sure his KJT is bigger than a Jinma 284. And I just read a 284 has a wheelbase of 64.9" so there's a good difference. Even a 354 has a 72" wheelbase but it could be the same engine. I just saw that some 354 came with a 45hp 4 cylinders but some where built with a 35hp 3 cylinders.
 
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That tractor looks a lot like my Jinma 354. Same logo on the castings.
 
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Really a lot in common with a Jinma 354! I think it has the same 35hp engine. I also just found out that a good source for detailled picture of theses tractors isn't chinese website (not at all) but US auction website with many pictures from all around the tractors they've been selling.

And the only big difference I can see is the transmission shift pattern.

All the 354 I see are like this:

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While the KJT 6030 has Lo Hi and reverse on the same stick:

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But we're definitely close to solve that mystery!
 
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From what I see in the dashboard in that picture it looks just like my Jinma 354 too. Although the PTO levers look slightly different. Note that the 354 came with several different engines and transmissions. Mine is a 4-cylinder 485, 2 liters but the 3-cylinder 395 is more common.

My understanding is that Jinma assembled the tractors but the transmissions and engines came from suppliers and they would switch them around. The hydraulic pump is probably the same way. The guys who sell parts tend to be quite knowledgeable and helpful.
 

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