Need advice - I think I need a compact track

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I live in the midwest and I don't have mesquite to deal with. I do tree shearing and use products like Tordon or Pathway on noncedar stumps to kill the remaining tree so it won't grow back. (Cedar won't grow back unless a branch is left.) It needs to be applied when the tree is cut and stump is fresh. I have a sprayer nozzle mounted near the shear and with a switch in the cab of the skid steer. Will these products work on the mesquite trunk?
 
   / Need advice - I think I need a compact track #12  
If it isn't labeled for mesquite, it will NOT work. You can try something else, many have, but that's the answer. Sorry to be so snippy... but unless you have actually lived with mesquite and tried to kill it, it is hard to understand how tenacious it is.

Example, the sides of the roads in Texas are shredded several times a year. Every year. Today, in the middle of a drought where it hasn't rained any useful rain for 2 months and we have had 25 or more days of triple digit heat, there are new mesquite sprouts all along the roads... about 1 to two feet high.

Texas A&M says:

The mesquite tree is one of the toughest, most invasive species of brush in the world. It thrives across the western two-thirds of Texas, both in rural pastures and on urban lots.
 
   / Need advice - I think I need a compact track #13  
Back to tractors and such.

Flat tires--foam filled tires. Then over the tire tracks. Plus with a mulcher the stickies will be no more after they are mulched.

Tractors, are usually region specific, whatever is popular and good pricing.

Yes high flow, Were working on a low flow. If you wait abit then can choose just about any tractor with a good A/C.

If new yes the new cats are good.

If you look up the threat "westshore" he has video of a 180D running on a Bobcat S330. He reports it's working veru well.
 
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DDivinia -

Wow, you landed a gold mine when TexasJohn started posting. Sounds like that guy knows what you're up to.

GyroTrac has a sweet mulch head - high flow and low flow. So depending on what $$ range you want to spend, how much production you need, and how big of a tractor you want, you've got options. The Vermeer guys in Texas are the dealers for GyroTrac and ASV - and they've got like 10 locations in Texas, so your support after the sale should be second to none. Vermeer Equipment Texas, INC.

I've seen some rough parts of Texas - spent some time around Victoria on a ranch, and I would agree with you that a track machine would be a bit more reliable than tires. Granted, you will spend more $ buying and upkeeping a tracked loader, but the added mobility and traction are worth it in a lot of circumstances.
 
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Has anyone actually tried to clear mesquite with a fixed-knives mulcher (DENIS CIMAF, or Gyro-Trac -which is the same technology as DENIS CIMAF-, or even Loftness or others)?

From the previous posts, and from the little I could read about Mesquite on Wikipedia, I understand it's quite a pain to get rid of it.

[...] long taproot (recorded at up to 190 ft in depth)
[...] plant's bud regeneration zone can extend down to 6 inches (150 mm) below ground level
The tree can regenerate from a piece of root left in the soil.

texasjohn, you mentionned that if you shear a mesquite, it will come back 10 times worse. Would you think a brushcutter-chipper like the ones above would create the same problem?

If that's so, then some other methods will have to be tried...

... or a new machine will need to be developed. ;)



FD
 
   / Need advice - I think I need a compact track #17  
Read my lips: Cut it off at ground level, any way you wish to do so, and you will turn a single stem into multiple stems that sprangle out over the entire area.

If you have been in the Victoria area, then you know that much, much of that country was root plowed in the 50's thru 70's.... and you see how it is now, again, thick in mesquite... sometimes one stem per square foot....If it were cheap or realistic or possible to achieve control, the people in that area would have done so. This is the heart of where the cattle industry in the US was born. The Longhorns came from there for the long cattle drives. The land is very productive when grass can grow there... mesquite sucks all the moisture from the ground and all good grasses are uable to grow in its canopy.

Constant, continuous, annual attention to the entire area, for 15 plus years is the ONLY way to eradicate it and regain grassland. Researchers planted a bunch of mesquite beans in a pot with steralized soil. Provided with moisture, warmth, etc. they began to sprout. They removed and counted every sprout as it came up... 15 YEARS LATER THEY WERE STILL SPROUTING. Point is, the seeds can lie dormant for years and years, so even after all visible plants are removed, new ones keep arising.

Mechanical control alone will NOT do it.... the root buds string out along the roots....for quite some space... unless you remove ALL roots from the ground, even if you remove the upper part of the tree and MUCH of the roots, there will still be root stubs from which new plants will appear next year... or even the same year...leave them alone for a while and your infestation returns worse than ever... so, you MUST come back, again and again and remove EVERY offending plant, one by one...using some method...mechanical (in the old days, we had wetbacks who grubbed by hand) or chemical.

Note that Texas A&M has spent years and years seeking solutions. What you read now is the result of over 50 years of efforts and studies:

Brush Busters Brush Control Program

You will note, reading the above, that they have abandoned the mechanical "control" methods in their recommendations. Thus, abandon ideas of a " new machine."

Clap your hands..... and believe:D

Ddivinia, SORRY for perhaps the most egregious thread hijack I've ever done.... this should be in a thread regarding brush control... this will be my last post re mesquite brush in this thread. There is nothing more to add.
 
   / Need advice - I think I need a compact track #18  
DDivinia, I know nothing of Mesquite, or it's control.

I do know that my freind that runs a small stone mine uses wheeled skid steers to mine (actually what they do is put forks on and they wedge the forks into the faults in the rock and pry it apart)

He does not run tracked machines, the tracks munch themselves in short order in the mine, and they are expensive to replace.

He runs the solid type tires, the ones with the holes in the side that provide cushioning I think, I forget the brand.

I think what was mentioned of solid tires, and over the tire tracks would work well and as you noticed wheeled machines are considerably cheaper then tracked machines.

Good luck with what ever you decide to go with, sounds like that stuff is a mess.

From what John is saying though, I would think you would want to cut it first so you could even get in there to spray it, it sure would be interesting to see.

Someone needs to make a biofuel out of the stuff then folks could pay you to come "harvest" it off your land. :)
 
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Well, thanks texasjohn for sharing all that information. It's good to know that for this particular application, a brushcutter is not a good option. You might have just saved me from having to deal with unhappy customers somewhere down the road. :D


ddivinia: that means we wish you good luck with the mesquite problem. Maybe in a year or two, you'll be able to report here on how you did manage to get rid of the problem.


AlanB: I like the idea to have someone to pay for something another one doesn't want :p


FD
 
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I am screwed. I think it will be more fun to mow them over with some crazy mechanical, diesel sucking device. :)

D.
 

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