Need Advice on 6,000 Acres and 150 Miles of Piles to clear

[Bison]

With 150 miles of piled tree debris the economics may suggest leaving it in place.

Preplanning?

I second that.

 

[oosik]

What I see here is a major element of a project design that was not considered by the project engineers until it became a problem. This was probably further enhanced by the project review process that either did not catch this glaring omission or decided it was not a major problem at the time. To ask that this situation be corrected now is to ask for a solution almost beyond undertaking. There have been proposal suggested here but I doubt an appropriate solution, short of just letting the material rot, with financial feasibility can be suggested at this late date. I, for one, would like to hear how the project is going now.

 

[tmc_31]

oosik, I disagree. This looks like an opportunity for an innovator (of which we have many on this board). I believe the right fellow with the right plan could retire on the profits from this one job. Looks to me like an army of front end loaders with grapples feeding an army of tracked tub grinders feeding chips to trucks feeding pulp mills or biomass power plants might be just the ticket. Should keep a crew busy for several years, won't be cheap but fixing a big mistake after the fact almost never is.

Tim

 

[oosik]

Fortunately, few projects are handled in this way, in that an innovator looking to make his fortune is necessary to solve a problem. This will usually end with public funds being expended to resolve private mistakes. To me this equals a real PITA.

 

[CliffordK]

Preplanning would have been good.
But, now the trees are all lined up, it may not be that bad to just go in and start working on the piles.

This thread is 4 months old. Hopefully the OP has come up with a plan and is now implementing it.

The big question is whether the chips should be salvaged, or left in place.

It couldn't have been cheap making the mess.

Just get the biggest chipper one can afford and start chipping away. Get a few crews of workers and good lighting to run the critical process equipment 24 hrs a day. Or, as mentioned, perhaps a couple of pieces of equipment. If you can level the playing field, then run a competition between crews and pay bonuses based on the quantity of SAFE output.

 

[redprospector]

Fortunately, few projects are handled in this way, in that an innovator looking to make his fortune is necessary to solve a problem. This will usually end with public funds being expended to resolve private mistakes. To me this equals a real PITA.

Yeah, usually it's the other way around. Private funds being expended to resolve public (government) mistakes. :laughing:
And usually public funds come from private individuals, and company's.
As long as someone other than a politician gets to retire from it, I guess it doesn't seem quite as bad.

Andy

 

[TomSeller]

Do they not allow burning at all? If smaller fires are allowed, those piles being in a row, you would think you could set a fire at one end and have small fires that burn for long periods. On a hugely smaller scale, that is how I get by local regs, I burn in a line, so there is never a big fire. It burns like a cigarette if you will.

 

[john40981]

What I see here is a major element of a project design that was not considered by the project engineers until it became a problem. This was probably further enhanced by the project review process that either did not catch this glaring omission or decided it was not a major problem at the time. To ask that this situation be corrected now is to ask for a solution almost beyond undertaking. There have been proposal suggested here but I doubt an appropriate solution, short of just letting the material rot, with financial feasibility can be suggested at this late date. I, for one, would like to hear how the project is going now.

Sounds about right to me:thumbsup:, what a massive project now:confused2: