Need to lower my Up Pipe Muffler

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I stopped and looked at a JD and 2 Kubotas on the way home today, and all three have downward ex pipes right in front of the front axle. All of them did exit at about a 45 degree angle though. The JD was a new 3120 and I looked up the manual on their website and there is nothing special about their exhaust. It exits the manifold upward into the muffler and the ex pipe goes downward to a point just in front of the front axle. They do offer a spark arrestor screen that attaches to the end of the pipe, and make a note in the operators manual that this is a required item for use in CA, in certain areas at least. You might want to check around as to what is required for spark arresting a low diesel exhaust outlet in your area.

I don't know how well this would work as a bolt together and certainly didn't plan it that way. You are going to need that welder for the outlet flange portion at least. The MIG is ideal for doing exhaust system work. I will try and get some closeup pics this evening of the various parts.

Ron
 
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#22  
Thanks for your help Ron,
I do have a spark arrester for an Old Ford I sold with a down pipe and kept it, so that would take care of that

Thanks again and I look forward to the pics
Rick
 
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Momboy007 said:
Thanks for your help Ron,
I do have a spark arrester for an Old Ford I sold with a down pipe and kept it, so that would take care of that

Thanks again and I look forward to the pics
Rick

Knew I was forgetting something today, Sorry. I even spent 2 hours running the tractor and backhoe this evening... I will set the camera out to remind me, as I will be on it again tomorrow evening.

Ron
 
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OK, here are some closeups. All these bends were on a single chunk of pipe I had made up as a temp airpipe when I redid my turbocharger installation on my pickup a few years ago. It was setting in my scrap pile. You could have a piece of pipe bent up with the necessary bends for a few bucks, then you just cut them apart with a sawsall or metal chopsaw. You could also buy pre-bent elbows at an auto parts store.

The first pic is of the manifold. My manifold outlet had a 3/4" thick cast spacer(seen between 1 and 2 on the measuring tape) between the manifold outlet and the cast iron long elbow that protrudes straight out from the manifold. The stock muffler sets on this cast elbow with a 4 bolt flange. The bolt spacing on my spacer is 3" with about a 1 3/4" center hole. I found a 2 hole diamond flange that was exactly the same size at a muffler shop for about $5. Most exhaust shops have a wall full of these on pegs. Just take the spacer or elbow along with you to size the proper one. The flange had about a 2 1/8" center hole which was perfect for the 2" pipe to fit into for welding. I cut the elbow to a length that placed the muffler in the middle of the space between the hood and the loader arm. Looking at it now, you may be able to find or make a 4 bolt flange to weld on the other end of that first elbow to which you could bolt the stock muffler without having to cut/modify the bottom end of the muffler like I did, but instead bolt it together.



I added a support strut from the pipe down to the loader support arm. The muffler weight hanging off the elbow and only being supported at the end of the outpet pipe didn't look that good to me once I thought about engine vibration. This strut supports that weight. The muffler material is also very thin, and due to the number of times I had bent mine, it was cracked a good ways around and required some very carefull welding to fill the holes. The bolt at the bottom allows me to remove the exhaust pipe as one piece. Due to the condition of mine, if I could have found a replacement easilly/quickly, I would have replaced it. If it gives me any more trouble, I will replace it.



The downpipe bracket is just a little scrap of angle that sets over an existing drilled and tapped hole in the tractor side frame.



All the tube bends were 90 degrees. As you can see in this next photo, the pipe angles forward slightly to reach my end anchor point. IF I was having this done, I would probably spec an 80 degree bend. If you use the 4 bolt flange on the end of the first elbow to bolt the muffler to, then the muffler will be about 1 1/2-2" further forward, and a 90 degree bend would probably get the pipe outlet to about the same point down in front of the battery.




Like I said, I am going to add a difuser to mine that runs across under the front tractor frame about like in the next pic. This difuser will have small holes in the sides and along the front that will have a total surface area equal to that of the 2" pipe.



If you could get a 2 and 4 bolt flange and that first elbow fit in the right orientation, someone else might be able to weld them together for you. Then you could bolt the muffler to that 4 bolt flange and cut off the upper pipe. Once you did this, you would know exactly what bends you need in a single pipe to get down to the spot alongside the front frame. You could even have a second bend to angle the pipe across the front like where I am going to place my difuser. To the end of that pipe you could attach your spark arrestor.

Good Luck.
 
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  • Thread Starter
#25  
Hello Ron,
That is one fine post! Well done. Now I know what I need to do, I spoke with a neighbor and he has told me he is more than willing to do the welding.
Thank you so much
Rick
 
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Cool. Neighbors like that are good to have:)

One final hint. If/When you cut the existing pipe off the stock muffler, you will see where those pipes are welded to the muffler. There is a thin weld seam all the way around the pipe. Do not cut between these welds and the main muffler body. That welded seam is also where the thin outer muffler skin is welded to the pipe. If you cut on the pipe side of these welds, you will have the thicker wall pipe to weld to when you start connecting up the pipes you are adding. IF you cut or weld inside these existing welds, you will have to deal with the thinner muffler skin which is easy to burn thru with a welder.

I am glad I did my patch work to see if I could salvage the stock muffler where it was bent and cracked at the bottom before I cut anything. This showed me how thin the outer skin was and that this thin skin runs all the way to the existing welded seams. My new welded seams were very near to, but on the pipe side of the existing ones and I had no problem joining the new pipes with my small MIG welder.
 
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#27  
Hey Ron,
You are right about having good neighbors, makes life more enjoyable.
I already have a problem with my current muffler, as I bent it on a tree limb and it cracked, now it leaks at the crack, I will try to take care of this with the down pipe.
Thanks again for the great post and info
Rick
 
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Harrygoodwrench said:
The only extra noise is at low idle as the flapper will open and close with exhaust pulses which makes a slow clatter sound. No big deal to me.

I actuall like hearing exhaust with a flapper, it reminds me of being a kid and my dad running an old 12G nuckle buster grader with me riding along. Now that I remember the noise I am thinking of turning my exaust up and putting a flapper on it :D Mine comes out the side a short distance and then turns down another short distance.
 
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Dallas_Lilly said:
I actuall like hearing exhaust with a flapper, it reminds me of being a kid and my dad running an old 12G nuckle buster grader with me riding along. Now that I remember the noise I am thinking of turning my exaust up and putting a flapper on it :D Mine comes out the side a short distance and then turns down another short distance.

I know exactly what you mean.:D It kinda taps out a melody at times.
 

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