3-Point Hitch Never noticed smaller 3pt
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My 5005DI has 2 sets of pins on the tractor, one set is cat1, the other set is cat2.
OH....wait.... I just went back and looked at the pics again.... looks like there's only one set of pins on the tractor in question. oops.
So is the tractor end maybe cat2 with a bushing?
OH....wait.... I just went back and looked at the pics again.... looks like there's only one set of pins on the tractor in question. oops.
So is the tractor end maybe cat2 with a bushing?
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The tractor is a Cat II. So even if some of you are right about flipping the lift arm, why would one end be a Cat I? 3968lbs lift capacity I thought was Cat II range. Why would the end that attaches to the tractor be smaller?
Hudr, I think I have the same question you do now.
Hudr, I think I have the same question you do now.
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Slippy, all our new and I'm pretty sure the older ones also have one end CAT I and the other CAT II. I assume the reason they do this is so if you have a lot of equipment with CAT I pins you can easily hook/unhook them without having to use a bushing on the CAT II end.
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Ok, I took a closer look at the hole and it seems to me to have a sleeve in it. Take a look at these pictures. The first picture shows the hole on the rt arm which has been the subject of this post. The second picture is the other side of the hole. I did take a brass sleeve and tried to knock it out, but it did not budge.
The third picture is of the other side, left side. It is the CAT II. You can see there is no sleeve.
I did look at where it connects to the tractor. If that end is a CAT I, it has to have a CAT I pin. But again, that does not make sense to me why a CAT II tractor would be connected at the tractor with a lower limit lift capacity CAT I pin. Seems to me both ends should come from the manufacture as CAT II, and then use CAT I bushing on the implement attachment end if you need to. I hope I am not lifting CAT II capacity items with a pin at the tractor connection as a CAT I. When I get some more time I am going to take it off if for no other reason than to just check, especially if I am correct about the sleeve.
Please look at the pictures and tell me what you think.
Any thoughts on this new information?
Oh, and one more thing, when you look at the second picture, it might explain why I can't knock it out. Looks like it has worn the edge over the sleeve and kind of "welded" it in there.
The third picture is of the other side, left side. It is the CAT II. You can see there is no sleeve.
I did look at where it connects to the tractor. If that end is a CAT I, it has to have a CAT I pin. But again, that does not make sense to me why a CAT II tractor would be connected at the tractor with a lower limit lift capacity CAT I pin. Seems to me both ends should come from the manufacture as CAT II, and then use CAT I bushing on the implement attachment end if you need to. I hope I am not lifting CAT II capacity items with a pin at the tractor connection as a CAT I. When I get some more time I am going to take it off if for no other reason than to just check, especially if I am correct about the sleeve.
Please look at the pictures and tell me what you think.
Any thoughts on this new information?
Oh, and one more thing, when you look at the second picture, it might explain why I can't knock it out. Looks like it has worn the edge over the sleeve and kind of "welded" it in there.
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Did you turn the arm arround yet? I know the end at the tractor has a sleeve in it. And Yes you are correct the pins on the tractor are cat1 size. I have yet to see one break.
Did you turn the arm arround yet? I know the end at the tractor has a sleeve in it. And Yes you are correct the pins on the tractor are cat1 size. I have yet to see one break.
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As suggested, I had the arm taken off. It is without question a CAT II hole and pin. Due to the location of the back hoe frame, the pin will not come all the way out. So, even though I would not do it, I could turn the arm around, but I can't replace the CAT II pin with CAT I.
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Slippy said:
That's the weirdest thing I've seen yet....Maybe take a hacksaw/blade, put it thru and see if you can cut thru the sleeve, then take a sharp pointed, edged cold chisel and bent the edge of the cut sleeve in so you can knock it out. Just a thought. By the way, my tractor side pins are CAT II as well (I'm pretty sure as I have to take off my lower arms to put on the BH. Regarding the fit with the frame mount, I had to get up in there with an angle grinder to "file" away enought of the frame mount (about an 1/8") so I could get the pin out far enought to take off the lower arm (one side only, the other was OK). Good luck, Mahindra should give you a new arm as its positively their fault. This doesn't have to be under warranty, I believe its a "latent defect" BobG in VA
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Well, problem resolved. I did not want to come out, but it is out. CAT I bushing now slides in and out nicely and I have my CAT II option now as well.
Hopefully this post will be of some benefit to others in the future that may find themselves in the same situation. Like others, many of my implements are CAT I, or I have just used a smaller pin. Now, when needed, I can use the CAT II pin with the CAT II implements. Yea!
My thanks to all of you for your input, suggestions, and advice.
BobG, I think we talked about this before, but I don't take the lift arms off when I put my bh on. I take the side sway adjuster arms off. I then tie the lift arms together so they miss the hoe when I back up to it and then won't flop around as I am driving or using the hoe. I also raise the 3pt up as far as I can and still miss the bottom of the hoe but get plenty of ground clearance. Since you take off the lift arms, I assume you take off the side links and side sway adjusters. The way I do it, I avoid that. Just a thought. It might save some time. By the way, your cut suggestion was already in progress when you posted, and as it turned out, was a good one.
Hopefully this post will be of some benefit to others in the future that may find themselves in the same situation. Like others, many of my implements are CAT I, or I have just used a smaller pin. Now, when needed, I can use the CAT II pin with the CAT II implements. Yea!
My thanks to all of you for your input, suggestions, and advice.
BobG, I think we talked about this before, but I don't take the lift arms off when I put my bh on. I take the side sway adjuster arms off. I then tie the lift arms together so they miss the hoe when I back up to it and then won't flop around as I am driving or using the hoe. I also raise the 3pt up as far as I can and still miss the bottom of the hoe but get plenty of ground clearance. Since you take off the lift arms, I assume you take off the side links and side sway adjusters. The way I do it, I avoid that. Just a thought. It might save some time. By the way, your cut suggestion was already in progress when you posted, and as it turned out, was a good one.