New $10,000 Toyota pickup

[LittleBill21]

Because I don't need or want that much automation in my drive.

i assume cruise control is a flat out no as well, I won't even ask about self driving.

 

[DK35vince]

I'd be interested in one in 4x4 as a daily winter driver, as long as the heater and defroster work.

They can keep all the extra hee-haw garbage on the new ones. My 11 year old Ford xlt package truck has all the bells and whistles on it I would ever want.

My 32 year old Ford f-250 has all the bells and whistles I would ever need or want

 

[LittleBill21]

maybe we should just buy a model A so we can adjust the timing on the fly as well.... everything after those is just ridiculous

 

[Jstpssng]

Another article about the little Toyota:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...truck-first-drive-review-japan-mobility-show/

Interesting article. As I suspected there are no air bags or ABS... making them impossible to sell here. There was only one comment at the bottom when I read it but the guy was spot on...

...The Maverick hybrid and the new Prius are among the few practical and reasonably priced vehicles today. Good luck finding one for sale. Sometimes I wonder if anyone is paying attention to the customer.

 

[tacticalturnip]

i assume cruise control is a flat out no as well, I won't even ask about self driving.

Standard cruise? Sure, but no adaptive.

I like distance sensors that beep when I'm an idiot, but I don't want the brake to apply automatically.

You know what the key is to equipment like that? It's no good if you don't trust it, and I don't trust it.

 

[WinterDeere]

maybe we should just buy a model A so we can adjust the timing on the fly as well.... everything after those is just ridiculous

At the risk of fulfilling every "never argue with an idiot" parable I've ever read, there's a difference between features that take away tasks which are merely tedious, and those legitimately affecting the safe or peaceful operation of the vehicle. Auto-dim lights, if they ever worked even half as reliably as modern timing control, would not have such a bad reputation here. Likewise with collision avoidance systems, for which several users here have already outlined cases in which it has caused them issues.

When I'm coming around a bend in the road in wet, snowy, or icy conditions, the last thing I want is for the vehicle to automatically go full-antilock on me, just because it errantly thinks I'm about to have a head on collision with someone who is not even remotely in my path of travel. Yet, this has happened to me more than once, thankfully always on dry road surfaces.

 

[jjeff]

Here is a story from 2012 about the failure of Mahindra bringing a truck to the US.

Mahindra Pickup Failure Shows Difficulty of Launching New Brands in the U.S.

That story makes me want to "roll coal" in front of the nhtsa or epa. Back to half heartedly looking for a very cheap 25 yr old diesel hilux unicorn lol.

 

[LittleBill21]

there's a difference between features that take away tasks which are merely tedious, and those legitimately affecting the safe or peaceful operation of the vehicle. Auto-dim lights, if they ever worked even half as reliably as modern timing control, would not have such a bad reputation here. Likewise with collision avoidance systems, for which several users here have already outlined cases in which it has caused them issues.

its disappointing to hear how bad some of these features work for people, I live in the country on dark and winding roads, 500+ deer a night. I have had auto highbeams for prolly 6 years at this point, and never once seen them fail, maybe not turn on as quick as wanted, but to say fail, no, not even close.

The collision is also interesting, I have only had that feature for 2 years in 2 cars, and again, 0 issues with that system as well. I wonder why there is such a huge difference, Maybe people don't keep their windshields clean enough, some systems use camera's above the mirror.

 

[jjeff]

i assume cruise control is a flat out no as well, I won't even ask about self driving.

From what I've read you can spec them out with options. But then your getting in the hilux price range.

 

[tacticalturnip]

The absolute worst has got to be Auto Start/Stop technology...

 

[jjeff]

its disappointing to hear how bad some of these features work for people, I live in the country on dark and winding roads, 500+ deer a night. I have had auto highbeams for prolly 6 years at this point, and never once seen them fail, maybe not turn on as quick as wanted, but to say fail, no, not even close.

The collision is also interesting, I have only had that feature for 2 years in 2 cars, and again, 0 issues with that system as well. I wonder why there is such a huge difference, Maybe people don't keep their windshields clean enough, some systems use camera's above the mirror.

For me anyway it's habit to dim or brite manually I don't screw it up unless the car tries to do it for me.

 

[LittleBill21]

For me anyway it's habit to dim or brite manually I don't screw it up unless the car tries to do it for me.

you can generally turn the auto stuff off if you don't want it to operate

 

[tacticalturnip]

you can generally turn the auto stuff off if you don't want it to operate

On many cars you must do that every time you operate the vehicle.

 

[LittleBill21]

On many cars you must do that every time you operate the vehicle.

yea true. i wish brake hold was remembered as well, but someone sued and we all lost that option

 

[WinterDeere]

highbeams... and never once seen them fail, maybe not turn on as quick as wanted...

That is indeed one of the three problems I described a few pages back, and the primary source of my frustration. The other two were the system's insistence on turning off high beams every time speed dropped at an intersection, and its complete refusal to ever turn on high beams if the sky wasn't completely dark (twilight problem).

The collision is also interesting, I have only had that feature for 2 years in 2 cars, and again, 0 issues with that system as well.

I have had it in 5 or 6 cars now, from Audi, Volvo, Mercedes, SRT, and Dodge. The Dodge system has been the best of the bunch, but also the newest, so it's likely the systems are improving, or perhaps the higher vantage point of that vehicle permits more reliable operation. The most troublesome one was probably the SRT, which is my current daily driver, but it is admittedly also driven the most aggressively of the bunch.

I wonder why there is such a huge difference, Maybe people don't keep their windshields clean enough, some systems use camera's above the mirror.

Oddly, the only one ever driven "dirty" is the Dodge (Durango R/T), as my wife isn't exactly fastidious, and that's her car. Excepting my truck, which lacks collision avoidance anyway, I keep my cars showroom clean. No issues with dirt affecting the system on my vehicles.

 

[WinterDeere]

yea true. i wish brake hold was remembered as well, but someone sued and we all lost that option

On most of my cars, there's a "rollback control" option, or some similar names. Seems to hold the vehicle static on a hill, as you transition from brake to accelerator, with auto trans.

 

[LittleBill21]

most auto high beam systems turn off at 20mph or lower, i agree its annoying

 

[jjeff]

you can generally turn the auto stuff off if you don't want it to operate

But You are talking to someone who's labeled as technology challenged by ones close to me. And why would I pay for something I despise cuz it comes with it in a trim level.

 

[LittleBill21]

On most of my cars, there's a "rollback control" option, or some similar names. Seems to hold the vehicle static on a hill, as you transition from brake to accelerator, with auto trans.

yes thats the old school system, have to be on a incline, my van has it, the new brake hold feature. lets you completely remove your foot from the brake indefinitely, and has tie in's to adaptive cruise and drive assist, but its a button you have to push, and the dash will show a light when it engages

 

[jjeff]

On most of my cars, there's a "rollback control" option, or some similar names. Seems to hold the vehicle static on a hill, as you transition from brake to accelerator, with auto trans.

Gm calls it hill start or assist or something like that. When working properly it is handy at a boat launch or towing heavy but so does putting your other foot on the brake. Anyways I will stick to what i like and don't like and always be a on the Minority band wagon of simpler lower cost autos.