New 5075M is at the dealer's!

[Island Farmer]

AKFish,

How are you liking the 5075M? I am trying to decide for myself between a 5075M and a 5085M. The most power hungry tasks I will have for the tractor will be an 8' heavy duty flail mower, and a small round baler 4'x5'.

The advantages for me with the 5075M would be, hopefully, slightly better fuel economy, and, I have heard, less pollution control on the 5075M's 5 cylinder than the 5085M's 4 cylinder. I will be buying one outfitted very similarly to yours.

I have an open station JD2355 now, and it is loud. Since I am losing my hearing I am interested in the full cab and wishing for it to be as quiet as possible. The Nebraska tests show the 5075M and 5085M both at about 80 dba in the cab. My salesman said that he thinks the 5085 might be slightly quieter, but so far I have only been able to operate a 5075M. As a side note, I wish that I could afford the money and size of a 6 series tractor because their dba ratings drop down into the mid 70s.

Any thoughts from anyone with some direct experience with the tractors in question would be greatly appreciated.

 

[AKfish]

I'm very happy with the 5075M. I used it this past summer to rake, tedd and bale hay. I also used it to work a HD (2000lb) roto-tiller on steriods (Meri-crusher) to work over some recently logged ground.

The cab is super nice! Clean, no bugs, no dust, cool (now it's WARM) and quiet enough to listen to the radio.

Based upon how I use the tractor; if I were to buy another one tomorrow - I'd get it with the creeper transmission. I don't know if I'd go all out and get the 32x16 with the creeper; but I'd definitely think it over real hard.

I've got a HD gear-drive roto-tiller (Frontier 1207) and using the Meri-crusher; 1st gear is not always "slow" enough to work the ground well enough. It wasn't a shortage of power - it's the need to go slow and allow the implement to really finish the soil.

I'm impressed with the fuel economy, too. Worked it pretty good over a couple of days baling hay. Around 14 hours on the meter while baling (2,300 bales or so) and burned just over 22 gallons. I baled some of the lighter fields (just over 600 bales) in 7th gear with a JD 336 baler. IIRC, that was close to 4mph.

Nonetheless, if I were baling a fair number of big bales - surface wrapped, etc. - I'd really think hard about the 85 or maybe even move up to the 95. Alot would depend upon how many acres, number of bales and whether you would ever buy a bigger baler or a mid-size MOCO.

AKfish

 

[bigbull338]

AK did you run the rd baler with it or just the sq baler this year.

 

[Island Farmer]

AKfish,

Thank you very much for your reply. This is a big investment for me, and the most valuable information that I can get is directly from someone who has the same machine.

With regard to the round baler, I don't have one now, but would not get one larger than a 4'x5'. From what I have read and heard the 5075M should handle that alright. Regarding the tilling, I would like to do some tilling, but probably with a smaller tiller, and a little easier ground than you have. One problem I have is that for some reason John Deere is not currently offering the 16x16 trans with or without creeper with the 5075M right now, in fact they only offer the 12 non hyd reverser. I have checked this on their build to order site and the salesman says the same thing. Even more strange is that you can get the 16x16 with creeper on the 5085M.

My salesman found me a new 2011 model 5075M equipped very much like yours with the 16x16, but without the creeper. I wonder if I would be alright with that given my less strenuous tilling requirements.

Thanks,

Island Farmer

 

[AKfish]

AK did you run the rd baler with it or just the sq baler this year.

No rounds this season. Just the 336.

It was interesting to work the baler with more Hp. Baling with 33hp @ pto - the baler is more machine than the tractor - the baler will "eat" more hay than the tractor can keep up with!

Baling with 60hp @ pto - the tractor is more machine than the baler - the tractor will "feed" more hay than the baler can eat!

AKfish

 

[AKfish]

With regard to the round baler, I don't have one now, but would not get one larger than a 4'x5'. From what I have read and heard the 5075M should handle that alright. Regarding the tilling, I would like to do some tilling, but probably with a smaller tiller, and a little easier ground than you have. One problem I have is that for some reason John Deere is not currently offering the 16x16 trans with or without creeper with the 5075M right now, in fact they only offer the 12 non hyd reverser. I have checked this on their build to order site and the salesman says the same thing. Even more strange is that you can get the 16x16 with creeper on the 5085M.

My salesman found me a new 2011 model 5075M equipped very much like yours with the 16x16, but without the creeper. I wonder if I would be alright with that given my less strenuous tilling requirements.

Island, the 5075M works the tiller and the Meri-Crusher just fine. Plenty of power. Just had to go over the ground a few more times than I would have liked. I think the slower speed with the creeper (maybe even the 20% speed reduction with the 32x16 would be better) would give you a nice, smooth seedbed with just a single pass.

If all you're going to bale is 4'x5's and some easier tilling work - the 5075M will eat that stuff up all day long!

One other thing; the 563SL loader is really a beast! You can get ahold of and pick up things that will pull the rear end of the 5075M around and give you a real case of the "puckers"! Even with the wheel wts. and a 1,200lb rear blade and quick hitch. If you have a chance to load the rears with RimGard - I'd recommend it.

Regards the JD tranny options on the 5075M -- sure looks like they're pushing buyers towards the higher Hp models -- and other's will just drop down to the E models. Why pay a premium price for the 5075M when you can buy a 5083E or even the 5075E for a lot less money??

Once again, the marketing strategy of the JD "bean counters" is a real mystery...

AKfish

 

[Island Farmer]

AKfish,

It sounds like horsepower wise the tractor should be great. I do wonder, long term, about the durability of the smaller parent bore 5 cyl. in the 5075M vs the larger 4 cyl. wet sleeved in the 5085M. If the 5075M's engine is all that I need, I like the tractor better because it has a better turning radius than the 5085M and a much better turning radius than the 5083E limited. Maneuverability really does mean something to me. It sounds like your tractor is pretty fuel efficient also, which is important to me.

Regarding the loader: I have a Bobcat A300, my grapple weighs over 900 lbs. My rated capacity to about 10' is well over 3000 lbs. It is truly amazing what I can lift, this is because of the combined weight of machine and attachment that is close to 10,000 lbs. with the fact that the load is very close to the machine, as opposed to a tractor where you have the load way out in front and the associated leverage of that. I regularly use that machine to its limits, one of the reasons that I like the M series machines is that they seem to be built heavier and tougher, which would be important for that kind of heavier loader work.

An associated question I have is: do you know if the new H260 loader is just a newer version of your 563 loader? I haven't talked to my salesman about this, but from what I have been able to glean from the JD website that seems to be the case.

To answer your question about why I would be willing to spend more for an M series machine. I have rarely regretted buying a better quality, more heavy duty machine. Also, as I mentioned earlier in this post the 5075M has the best turning radius, and even the 5085M is substantially better than the 5083E. I don't fully understand how this works, considering that these machines all have about the same wheel bases.

I saw in a recent post of yours that you said that your next machine could be a 5093E Limited. Any explanation of why you would like to have one -- how you would use it? One other thing about the E Limited machines, they seem to have very limited transmission options.

Thank you again for being such a good resource for myself and anyone else who might be interested in these specific machines.

Island Farmer

 

[AKfish]

Island Farmer,

I use the 5075 to clean our horse corral and plow snow around the yard, buildings and driveway.

With the hyd offset on the rear blade I can clean very close to my wife's "unmarked" galvanized panels and the turning radius of the machine is comfortable enough around the buildings and trees that it's not that much more effort to clean things up than it is with the 110TLB.

And it's a WHOLE lot warmer and drier! :thumbsup:

When I researched the various tractor's - the MTBF on the 5075M engine is 8,000 hours! I can live with that... given the likely number of hours I'll use the machine per year is around 300 - 400!

I don't know anything about the new, H260 loader. Interesting, though. I'll have to do some homework...

My recent comments on the 5093E are simply based upon - relatively "cheap" Horsepower in a comfortable package! Nice cab, likely identical ergonomics as the M series and it's the same engine as the M's.

As you already know - the major distinctions between the M's and the E's - are the hyraulic system capacities (# of SCV's, GPM, etc.), the heavier duty transaxle, more transmission options and the EH 3pt hitch. Cab, frame, tire size, loaders, engine are more or less the same (excepting the 65-75M).

But, if I get into silage bales (5'x6') and all I'm looking for is a higher Hp platform (primarily) to run a big baler... might even look more at the 5101E, too.

AKfish

 

[AKfish]

I am in complete agreement regarding buying a heavier duty or higher quality piece of equipment! That's the basic, "bottom line" reason I went with the 5075M!

There were a fair number of local folk's that bought brand new 5075E's with 553 loaders this past summer.

Good, reliable and low-cost Hp.

I'm still very comfortable spending another $15K on the M...

AKfish

 

[Island Farmer]

AKfish,

Thanks again for the info. I just did some more research myself, and the H260 is the replacement for the 563. Supposedly it is a little tougher because of more cast parts, and they have routed the hydraulic hoses inside the boom arms.

More on the loader tractor combo: so what you are saying is that you have two 96 lb. weights per rear wheel, and you are recommending that I go a step further and add RimGuard for even more rear ballast?

I see that you have a ballast box. I would think that using that with your rear weights should be enough, or an implement hanging off the back -- but no still not enough?

The last questions I can think of right now would be: Do you really think that you needed the front spacers? And, how do you like the front fenders? I've never had front fenders, and none of my friends tractors have front fenders.

And just in response to your comment about the possibility of silage bales. My cows absolutely love them. The upside seems to be that in your climate and mine, there're a little easier to make. The down side is all of the plastic. I guess, if they could find a way to make that stuff recyclable, I might at least consider it. It's not that I'm against using plastic, but I have fed a fair amount of that stuff in the past and I have friends that feed a lot of it, and there just gets to be a hella of a lot of that plastic to deal with.

Finally, I just don't think for my operation I could justify the cost of the equipment to make the silage bales.

Island Farmer