New Gas Well on my property by XTO in Texas

[forgeblast]

Also, be aware that injection of fracking chemicals can contaminate the water table for you and your neighbors forever. Here in NB fracking has been banned for the whole province, becoz of water table issues. The issues in Pennsylvania are warning enough.

Not true, the fracking chemicals are not near the water table. What happens is when a well, any well GAS or WATER is drilled and not cased right then you may have methane migration. Many of the people who had issues in Dimock (which is where I work), had issues before the wells came, as far back in to the 1800's. Dimock Proud is Sick of the Same Old (Wrong) Story - Well Said is a link to the group Dimock Proud which is a group that counteracts much of what has been reported and rehashed.
I have a leg of a well going from one part of my property to the other more then a mile under my house (drilled by Cabot). My water is fine has been tested before during and after they drilled.

 

[NorTracNY]

X2..... but where do you get a good attorney ????

cemetery?

 

[jix]

Do any of you "cheap fuel" people keep up With the economics of oil? Fuel is cheaper now only because of the EPEC decision to sell oil to meet world-wide demand. Cdn and US production have very small effect on that, Ditto Russian oil. As for whether fracking effects ground water, give you head a shake, gents. The comment that fracking is contained by a cased well is purely propaganda, Fracking chemicals flood all the cracks opened in the bedrock..and it migrates into those...and into underground aquifers and wells. The east west pipeline that was cancelled was for the movement of crude, not for natural gas and so yes, it was an attempt by the OG people to strong arm the government. Go and read all about it. Do some critical thinking for yourselves.
I dislike having to disagree with you, but you are spouting false info on these things!

 

[TheGoose]

Do any of you "cheap fuel" people keep up With the economics of oil? Fuel is cheaper now only because of the EPEC decision to sell oil to meet world-wide demand. Cdn and US production have very small effect on that, Ditto Russian oil. As for whether fracking effects ground water, give you head a shake, gents. The comment that fracking is contained by a cased well is purely propaganda, Fracking chemicals flood all the cracks opened in the bedrock..and it migrates into those...and into underground aquifers and wells. The east west pipeline that was cancelled was for the movement of crude, not for natural gas and so yes, it was an attempt by the OG people to strong arm the government. Go and read all about it. Do some critical thinking for yourselves.
I dislike having to disagree with you, but you are spouting false info on these things!

Considering that the US is the 3rd largest oil producing country in the world I disagree with your first few comments. As for the fracking I really don't have enough information to make a determination.

 

[71bronco]

Do any of you "cheap fuel" people keep up With the economics of oil? Fuel is cheaper now only because of the EPEC decision to sell oil to meet world-wide demand. Cdn and US production have very small effect on that, Ditto Russian oil. As for whether fracking effects ground water, give you head a shake, gents. The comment that fracking is contained by a cased well is purely propaganda, Fracking chemicals flood all the cracks opened in the bedrock..and it migrates into those...and into underground aquifers and wells. The east west pipeline that was cancelled was for the movement of crude, not for natural gas and so yes, it was an attempt by the OG people to strong arm the government. Go and read all about it. Do some critical thinking for yourselves.
I dislike having to disagree with you, but you are spouting false info on these things!

First of all they frack in the shale, not the bedrock. And I don't understand how you think the fracking chemicals can migrate up 5 to 8 thousand ft yet the water in the aquifer doesn't migrate down thru the bedrock.
The only way anything gets contamitated is with an accident on the surface. But that can happen with anything.

Jeff

 

[jix]

Jeff. put simply. In many parts of the continent, shale rock is generally referred to as bedrock. And also fracking can open veins in bedrock, where fault lines exist. How else could there be such a thing as THE OGALLA reservoir. So, are you an advocate for fracking..and what proof do you offer to counter the very serious damages already caused by fracking? Especially in the pennsylvania shale? As I suggested, you need to be better informed. Water and natural gas, underground can "migrate" for thousands of miles, such as in certainly does in the Ogallala reservoir. Please do some serious reading.

 

[aczlan]

Jeff. put simply. In many parts of the continent, shale rock is generally referred to as bedrock. And also fracking can open veins in bedrock, where fault lines exist. How else could there be such a thing as THE OGALLA reservoir. So, are you an advocate for fracking..and what proof do you offer to counter the very serious damages already caused by fracking? Especially in the pennsylvania shale? As I suggested, you need to be better informed. Water and natural gas, underground can "migrate" for thousands of miles, such as in certainly does in the Ogallala reservoir. Please do some serious reading.

You might want to understand the subject a little better...
Per Wikipedia, the Ogallala reservoir at its thickest is around 1000 feet thick (lets double that and say 2000 feet). At the deepest, it is 400 feet below ground. So, we can confidently say that the deepest point, it goes is no deeper than 2400 feet below the surface.

The water-saturated thickness of the Ogallala Formation ranges from a few feet to more than 1000 feet (300 m) and is generally greater in the northern plains.[6] The depth of the water below the surface of the land ranges from almost 400 feet (120 m) in parts of the north to between 100 and 200 feet (30 and 60 m) throughout much of the south. Present-day recharge of the aquifer with fresh water occurs at an exceedingly slow rate, suggesting that much of the water in its pore spaces is paleowater, dating back to the most recent ice age and probably earlier.

The "frac zone" is between 5000 and 20,000 feet under the surface, a minimum of 2500 feet below the deepest possible point of the Ogallala reservoir.

Hydraulic fracturing enables the extraction of natural gas and oil from rock formations deep below the earth's surface (generally 2,000–6,000 m (5,000–20,000 ft)), which is greatly below typical groundwater reservoir levels.

Aaron Z

 

[Sysop]

Liquids will take the path of least resistance. It is very difficult to think that we can poke a hole "past" our drinking water without some intermingling of the fluids, at least eventually...

Folk seem to forget to mention that oil and gas were originally discovered by mankind because it forced it's way to the surface due to the earthly pressures. How is the stuff we're shooting down there not also going to eventually find it's way to the surface as well?

 

[Creamer]

Folk seem to forget to mention that oil and gas were originally discovered by mankind because it forced it's way to the surface due to the earthly pressures. How is the stuff we're shooting down there not also going to eventually find it's way to the surface as well?

it seems to me like we are taking enough stuff out we should be relieving a little of the pressure.

 

[Sysop]

Agreed, somewhat. The original discoverers used what bubbled to the surface faster than it did, which is why they started digging for it and eventually drilling ever and ever deeper for it.

A deposit my great grandfather had drilled and was tapped out dry years ago, it is now used as storage for what is being brought up from deeper areas. I'm sure my place isn't the only place that sort of thing happens.

As for less pressure? I don't know, but I've read a lot. I know I've not got a clue what all goes on at the core of the earth and what all sorts of effects gravity has at the core of the earth, I've never been there to see... As for the fuels, some say it's all dinosaurs and fossil fuels, some say most of it is a byproduct of the reactions at the core of the earth. Who do I believe? I don't. Until someone grants me the all-seeing mind it would take to know what to believe, I won't.

What I do know from what my limited mind has seen, is that gases are more compressible than liquids which would probably be why the liquid oils were what bubbled up and the gasses were discovered once they started drilling for the oils. Whatever it is holding the gasses under pressure down there is going to continue to have pressures on those fluids we're pumping down. Fluids being less compressible are going to seek the path of lease resistance and come up eventually.