New guy here

[backdoor]

Hello to all you guys. My first post here, however, I have been reading here for several weeks. I enjoy farming on my few acres of food plots, and I enjoy reading about stuff like that whenever I can.

It seems that youall have lots of info for those of us who have questions.

And I have a question.

Have any of you guys replaced the frogs on your old Dearborn plows with more modern frogs, so you could use readily available parts? I ask this because I have a worn out Dearborn model 10-1, and new points from a place in Pennsylvania would cost me $186.50 each plus shipping. More than I will pay. I hate to think of scrapping the plow, so I looked around at some of the other brand plows for ideas. I took the wear parts off of a Leinbach model 82-2, 14inch plow, and took the frog from the Leinbach and it bolted perfectly to the Dearborn beam. I put the Leinbach wear parts back on the frog, and everything seemed to work. I attempted to plow some, but the land was very dry and hard, and I only had one bottom on the Dearborn, so the back beam was dragging only a couple inches into the ground. However the plow seemed be at about the right angle to work. I thought I would ask if any of you had done this with both bottoms and if it worked ok before I put that effort into doing the second bottom and finding out that the plow would not work properly.

The Leinbach dealer near me says all the parts are available from Leinbach, frogs included, and these frogs bolt up to Ford plow wear parts, maybe 101's, I don't know. If none of you have done this exchange, I'll try to finish it up soon (I'm a carpenter, started a new house today), and let you know how everything works. If you have any info on this switch, please post back here and let me know. Thanks. Backdoor.

 

[Bird]

Welcome to Tractorbynet, Darryl. But I've never done what you're talking about and can't recall anyone else mentioning it on Tractorbynet. Good luck with it and let us know how it goes.

 

[jbrumberg]

backdoor:

Welcome to TBN ! I can not help you regarding your question , but keep us posted. Jay

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Those Leinbach plows do in fact use Ford 101 wear parts. Now, is the frog the same as a Ford 101? I don't know that.

To simplify the entire process, it would probably be easier to find out if an OEM Ford 101 frog would interchange with an older Dearborn plow beam. Then compare the 101 frog with a Leinbach frog. I'm more than fairly certain they are NOT the exact same. (as a direct "bolt on" swap) That doesn't mean a creative mechanic couldn't adapt the 101 OR the Leinbach frog (by welding in holes and re-drilling?)

There's been countless hundreds of threads over the ages with people looking for a cheap fix/quick fix to worn parts on Dearborn plows. I gotta believe if it were a simple bolt on swap, that would have been mentioned a few times by now. They may well "fit", but it would be VERY critical to get the frog at the exact corect angle.

You can always angle the plow (via top link length) to get a single bottom to ride at the correct angle. With a second (or more) additional bottom(s), it would be critical to have both bottoms running on a level plane with both at the same depth.

I have swapped newer John Deere NU style bottoms for the older HSS style on Deere plows. That entailed filling one drilled hole (with a welder) and redrilling it to get the correct angle. (Different contours on each style of beam)

Long story short, you may be on to something here for all the guys wanting to "modernize" their older Dearborn plows. And even if the frogs aren't EXACTLY a bolt on swap, modifying them wouldn't be all that difficult. (Maybe as simple as slotting out one bolt hole to give a little adjustability...?)

I owned one of those Leinbach plows a few years ago (took it in trade on a sickle bar mower I was selling) I didn't care for it's big bulky frame. By putting the Leinbach (101 Ford design) bottoms off of a Leinbach plow and onto a more reasonably weighted Dearborn frame, you'd have a nice plow.

Keep us up to date on what you find.

 

[Nickahawk]

Welcome backdoor...........

I would like to see some pictures of your plow....when you have time.

 

[Glowplug]

Welcome backdoor...........

I would like to see some pictures of your plow....when you have time.

I second that!!

 

[MarkV]

Can someone explain to me what a frog is on a plow? Obviously I don't do any plowing.

MarkV

 

[backdoor]

Hey fellows,
Thanks for the welcomes. I really enjoy my time here.

MarkV, the frog on a plow is the piece of metal that the actual bottom is bolted onto. The frog bolts to the lower plow beam, and the point and moldboard-the parts that go into the ground to turn the dirt over-bolt onto it. Usually you cannot see the frog by just casually looking at a plow. It's mostly hidden by the moldboard.

I bolted one Leinbach frog onto the 10-1 already, and the point, moldboard, and shin all look to be the right angle. I'll put the other one on tomorrow and see what it looks like. I can't plow with it very good, because I can't get my rear tractor tires moved in enough to make the plow run at the right place, because of the ROPS bolted to the tractor, but I can tell if it will plow one forrow right. I'll have to wait until it rains some before the plow will do much, we have a very dry time here right now, and my land is either brown with lots of fist to football sized rocks, or red clay land. But I'll do my best.

I cannot do much with posting pictures, but my daughter will do that for me when she gets back from my sister's house in Central Florida. Daughter is 14, vacationing with her favorite aunt for two weeks.

I can plow with the completed plow, and my daughter can get pictures here, but if the plow angles are not right, you guys will have to help me figure out what to do. I'm a carpenter. I could fix it if it was wood, but metal stuff kinda boggles my mind. Thanks for the help.

 

[Glowplug]

Can someone explain to me what a frog is on a plow? Obviously I don't do any plowing.

MarkV

I learned a lot from FarmWithJunk's now famous, and popular, thread entitled Plowing New Ground. It's a good intro to plows for those of us who have no idea!

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I learned a lot from FarmWithJunk's now famous, and popular, thread entitled Plowing New Ground. It's a good intro to plows for those of us who have no idea!

WOW! I forgot all about that'n! Guess I'll have to work on the sequel a'fore long. That was going to happen towards the end of last summer. Then we had this little issue with the worst drought in the past 100 years. No hayfield overhaul...No plowing. Then I was going to do it this past spring. That got sidetracked over a health issue. Got the ALMOST all clear from the doc on that, so MAYBE this fall I can plow up the hayfield finally.

 

[Glowplug]

WOW! I forgot all about that'n! Guess I'll have to work on the sequel a'fore long. That was going to happen towards the end of last summer. Then we had this little issue with the worst drought in the past 100 years. No hayfield overhaul...No plowing. Then I was going to do it this past spring. That got sidetracked over a health issue. Got the ALMOST all clear from the doc on that, so MAYBE this fall I can plow up the hayfield finally.

Looking forward to the sequel. . . . .Actually Plowing New Ground!

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Looking forward to the sequel. . . . .Actually Plowing New Ground!

Well, that's one option.... Was thinking more of PLOWING OLD GROUND though The last time this field was worked was 1988.

 

[backdoor]

I got the other frog and parts on the Dearborn plow today. It seems to sit level and the moldboard angle has to be the same on the Dearborn as it was on the Leinbach, since it is bolted onto the same frog. The only place I could get the plow to go into the ground was a small patch that I plowed in March and I was waiting till late summer to put some clover into it. The area still had a little dampness in it from some thunderstorms a couple weeks ago. This patch is in a lower corner of a 2 acre food plot, and it gets most of whatever runoff that comes from the field. Anyway, the plow did great. Pulled easy, went in the ground like it should, rolled the dirt over completely. I shortened the stabilizer chain on the left bottom link to help keep the plow close to the right wheel, and all went well. As I said before, I cannot get the right tire in as close as it should be because of the ROPS being bolted on the tractor, but shortening the chain helped a lot. I'll do more playing with it later this year, when the land gets wet enough to plow.

I was thinking about selling the Dearborn at Plow Day this fall, but I think I'll keep it.

The Leinbach parts came from a 10 year old model 82-2, 14 inch 2 bottom, and I put them on a Dearborn model 10-1, serial number starts with 283, but I can't remember the rest. The Leinbach uses a longer landside on the rear plow, and there is no provision for the tailwheel from the Dearborn, but it's not needed with the long landside.

The Leinbach dealer near me says any Leinbach part is available singley, so the frogs might be the only thing you guys would have to have shipped. Thanks.