New Holland to switch to Korean manufacturer?

[JasG]

Getting back to the thread topic

As a NH owner, this doesn't impress me. I put some value on product and vendor stability. It looks to me like a company thrashing around trying to be profitable. They have tons of models across the tractor spectrum that they are constantly twiddling with to position them in the market. Something like the GM 'too many models' issue. They have confused me Combined with a lack of any nearby dealers, this is a turn off. If I buy another tractor it will probably be a Deere or Kubota. My opinion has nothing to do with the quality of LS/LG stuff. How sad is that?
Dave.

I think you are correct. I wish to some degree they would merger the case and NH line a little more and reduce the number or tractor models that have. Yes keep a few things only blue and a few things only red but stream line the lineup more. This would simplify parts and training across both lines or machinery.

 

[dave1949]

I think you are correct. I wish to some degree they would merger the case and NH line a little more and reduce the number or tractor models that have. Yes keep a few things only blue and a few things only red but stream line the lineup more. This would simplify parts and training across both lines or machinery.

JasG
It reminds me of when I worked for Honeywell Information Systems, which died a slow death back in the late 80's/early 90's. They were barely holding on to 5% of the commercial data processing mainframe market, and slipping. IBM owned >85% of that market at the time. Without defense contracts, they would have died much earlier.

Since Honeywell operated globally, we had equipment from all over. France, Italy, Scotland and USA primarily. It wasn't bad equipment, (except the French engineering was always over-complicated) but the focus was more on how to be profitable against IBM's dominance rather than product innovation and staking out and holding a market segment or niche.
Dave.

 

[JasG]

Here is another thing I haven't seen commented on. The CVT, I wonder if that is CNH's CVT or the current vendor, or a 3rd party supplier. 2 out of the 3 options means it could stay, if the current tractor supplier is the one who provides it, then it probably will be gone.

 

[JasG]

JasG
Since Honeywell operated globally, we had equipment from all over. France, Italy, Scotland and USA primarily. It wasn't bad equipment, (except the French engineering was always over-complicated)
Dave.

You need to see German engineering I don't think anyone can hold a candle to them on over-complicating a device.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I think you are correct. I wish to some degree they would merger the case and NH line a little more and reduce the number or tractor models that have. Yes keep a few things only blue and a few things only red but stream line the lineup more. This would simplify parts and training across both lines or machinery.

They are more simular than it may look on the surface. The parallels are not easy to draw.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

I will add, on the 'big government' thread here, that we've been trying to expand our operation for years and pretty much gave up simply because we can't get though the red tape.. so we've got 3 people sharing 1 office and equipment spread all over the place and we can't grow because of the BS that happens when you try to. Our last effort was two years ago, we spent nearly $30,000 on the process and gave up. Our country stifled our own growth because we apply too much regulation and oversight where its simply not need.

 

[wallace]

I will add, on the 'big government' thread here, that we've been trying to expand our operation for years and pretty much gave up simply because we can't get though the red tape.. so we've got 3 people sharing 1 office and equipment spread all over the place and we can't grow because of the BS that happens when you try to. Our last effort was two years ago, we spent nearly $30,000 on the process and gave up. Our country stifled our own growth because we apply too much regulation and oversight where its simply not need.

Neil I have a solution to your growth problems.....
It's very easy.
Welcome to the Northeast:drool:

 

[jagyzf]

I don't mean to imply that you or your company is unethical. Enough were/are however, to bring on the regulations you ran up against. I doubt you would like to live and raise a family in countries where there is little or no environmental oversight over industrial/agricultural operations.

The idea that the US would be the idea and invention country doesn't work so well against the total lack of intellectual property rights in places like China.

Dave.

What I was refering to are the regulation as others have pointed out that are there for the wrong reasons. If we get below our EPA cap, why shouldn't we be able to get back to it with more production? I do understand regulations and am for most of them. I guess I should have been more clear in my post what I meant.

The patents I was refering to are products sold here in the USA. I do realize we wouldn't be able to do anything overseas. The government doesn't want to upset the "bank" they are doing the most buisness with now.

I'll give you an example that fills both stupid regulations and US non enforcment on China crap. I bought my daughter a Honda XR50 dirt bike. She wanted to learn to ride so I set a goal for her in school, and when she met that goal I bought he a bike. I had to get a used bike due to in the mean time, the goverment passed that child lead law a few years ago. It affects everything including metal alloys with lead in them. So small dirtbikes, ATV, snowmobiles, etc can't be sold legally in the US anymore. I think the age limit is 12. So now I have a bike that I can't get parts for due to Honda, along with Suzuki, Kawi etc stopped selling these bikes here.

Yet the china made crap that is sold to little kids, they just changed the recommened age from 6 to 12 years old and presto, they keep selling. You know the china dirtbikes that the handle bars and wheels fall off while your riding.

I guess the goverment jumped all over that problem of little kids sucking on swing arms. They don't have time or maybe the wheels falling off isn't such a big problem. I have only seen a handfull of these stories on the TV. Never seen one though of lead poisoning from a motorcycle or ATV.

 

[dgl24087]

I'm assuming this deal is to replace the T15x0 tractors, I believe they are the only totally Shibaura tractors in the line. The Boomers will continue to be powered by Shibaura engines that are manufactured in Griffin, GA, same location as the Boomers are assembled.

 

[IH3444]

The engines are made in the good ole USA? In Georgia? Sweet!