New Home Building

   / New Home Building #11  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ...I was out there almost every day checking on things. ...I felt ...I was doing all the supervising and making sure things were done right....I have preferred buying preexisting houses ever since....)</font>

Yes, similiar experience here too, but when you buy that already built house how do YOU know that someone else took the care you did to make sure it was built right?

In other words, the already built house house may be full of construction flaws because no one cared to make sure it was done correctly.
 
   / New Home Building #12  
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In other words, the already built house house may be full of construction flaws because no one cared to make sure it was done correctly. )</font>

Micropilot . Maybe in a long winded way what I was trying to say is that I did. Whether it was a customers house , or a Spec . house it was treated the same . It had to be right !
All our houses were built on slabs . I personally checked each one before it was poured . If the forms were not to spec it was corrected . Every concrete pour was tested for slump and strength . In short , If it wasn't right , It wasn't done .
I find it a shame that folks buying a house need to also supervise it's building . John
 
   / New Home Building #13  
Well the wife and I are starting to meet with some contractors to add a south wing to our home. I really hate the idea but we do not want to move. I think I am aleady getting heartburn from the stress.....well it could be the Taco Bell I had for lunch! I was amazed how many people I would call and they would seem fine on the phone and be all excited about meeting my wife and I and seeing our plans and then never show up. Seems strange people would loose business that way.
 
   / New Home Building #14  
Huh??

I never implied that you didn't build quality. But, from my experience, and it seems others, it's not uncommon for houses to be built with shoddy workmanship and to deviate from specs.

I'm sure that there are quality builders and craftsmen who take pride in their work. My neighbor, who used to be a carpenter, is that kind of person. I've helped him with jobs and seen him take 15 minutes out to figure out why a measurement was out 1/4" from where it should be (house wasn't built square), or take the extra time to crown boards, or hand pick the lumber at the yard, etc.

The guys on my new house job didn't. They were going to frame part of my finished basment with the wood from the forms from my concrete porch!!! Another time these yahoo's drove 35 miles to our build site and then were gonna leave because they didn't have any nails!!!
 
   / New Home Building #15  
Be sure to check those refrences. And when you do talk to them, ask about others that are not on your list.

My brother was working for a builder who gave each framer one case of nails and said thats all you get. They built the whole subdivison with single nailes in the studs. Inspectors never suspected a thing.
 
   / New Home Building #16  
The biggest problem that people have with building a new house is that they do not go into the project as prepared as they should be. I suppose that part of it is that it is one of the biggest projects a person will ever undertake, and it can be very daunting. But in my mind, that's all the more reason to spend a lot of time learning about what is involved.

Another problem for most first time owners is that they "accept" whatever the builder tells them as the gospel truth. After all, the builder knows what he's doing, right? Sorry, I don't buy that. Just like I don't buy that my minister is anyone special just because he is a clergyman. You know what, he puts his trousers on the same way I do. I frequently remind him that he works for the congregation, not the other way around.

The last time I built a house, I was shopping around for the builder I was going to hire. I had prepared a complete list of everything that I wanted in the house - kinds of windows, water softener, water heater, furnace, air conditioning, etc. I did this so that when I received all of the bids, I knew I'd be comparing apples to apples (where have I heard that before?? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif). So after I get the bids, 4 of them were within a reasonable amount of each other. But the 5th, which was from the largest builder in the area, was dramatically lower than the others. I went to meet with him to find out why his bid was so much lower. When we met, he began telling me that he didn't include this, or he eliminated that, or whatever. When I asked him why he did that, he said because he didn't think I needed those things. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif Then we discussed the design of our master bedroom, which would include a cathedral ceiling. He said we couldn't build it that way. When I asked why not, he said because it can't be done. I asked him if there was some kind of code that I was not aware of that prohibited that kind of ceiling. He said no, there wasn't. My comment to him was, "As long as I'm willing to pay for it, and as long as it meets codes, I'll build any d _ _ _ thing I want to. I just won't build it with you."

The point is, many people would have accepted his decisions just because he was the builder.

I found building my two homes to be a challenging and enjoyable experience. Sure, there were problems. But I knew there would be problems going into the project, and we were prepared for them. But it felt good when we solved the problems in an efficient way, the end result was what we wanted. But without knowing what to expect from the beginning, and without learning who the builder is and his level of service capability(kind of like a tractor dealer /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif), I can see where the project could be disheartening.

I always feel bad when I hear about someone who has had a bad experience, because that means that they probably won't enjoy their new home as much as they should. But I also tend to think, that at least part of those problems were brought on themselves because they just didn't prepare enough in the beginning.

I hope things turn out well for you so that you and your family can really enjoy your new home. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / New Home Building #17  
Sorry if I implied the post was directed at you . It wasn't .
I guess that it takes all kinds of folks to build a house .
Like I said in the earlier post I didn't put up with sub par folks . I now build pole buildings . I don't supervise or have anything to do with ownership . But I can guarentee if the building isn't within an 1/8 " we don't set the poles .
Call it **** , or what ever . But it makes building the structure SO much easier . John
 
   / New Home Building #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ....I always feel bad when I hear about someone who has had a bad experience, because that means that they probably won't enjoy their new home as much as they should. But I also tend to think, that at least part of those problems were brought on themselves because they just didn't prepare enough in the beginning....)</font>

In my case this is partly true, but also partly that my GC turned out to be a crook. We did all the things you are supposed to do like BBB, check references, inspect some build sites etc. However we were not expecting to have to inspect the work progress (or lack thereof) on a daily basis. Luckily my FIL is a retired electrician, and was familiar with construction, and my carpenter neighbor were available for advice and second opinions on issues.

As far as being happy with my house, I am. There are/were some problems, but I know what they are. I also know that everything else was done right, and that the stuff that gets covered up with dry wall is built right, and this gives me peace of mind.
 
   / New Home Building #19  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sorry if I implied the post was directed at you . It wasn't . )</font>

No offense tanken, but you did reply to my post and quote me.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ...I now build pole buildings....But I can guarentee if the building isn't within an 1/8 " we don't set the poles ....)</font>

Don't tell this to Docsknottin!! Or maybe you should. Have you read his Morton building thread?
 
   / New Home Building #20  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Spiker I can understand your opinion but for me not having mucho grande to build a house I still want the house done right. A 100,000 house should be as good as a 200,000 house when it comes to workmanship. The 200k house might be bigger, more options ect... but basics like nails in studs ect shouldn't take begging to get.

I like the idea of generosity in the way of food/drinks but in my situation I was displaced because my home wasn't done and the other buyer forced me to move or withdraw his offer. Then when subs say they'll be there only to not show up just isn't right. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Hard to be courteous when they can't be. )</font>

Sorry I wasn't trying to make you feel bad or anything, I was stating that as a drywall contractor I've seen some REALLY SHODDY jobs, and the difference between 80k for a 2000 sf house and 130K 2000 SF house can be had in the builders GC and the SUBs work ethic and such. we as drywall subs did many , many HIGH buck homes and our work showed, and we still had to fix quite a few rough in carpentry problems, and we were compensated for it with a bit (not much) higher rates. when we bid on lower cost homes many times the rough carpentry plumbing electrical ect was of lesser qualit as everyone was just IN-A-HURY to get it done, fast fast fast. not to worry about that 2nd nail per stud...

it does not mean that the lesser cost houses were ALL poorly built but from a FEW builders I would NEVER buy a house!

the chances are you got a SO-SO builder, so by paying attension at the job site you can FORCE him (like its ounds you may have done) to et things done RIGHT as well as quickly...

as for Subs not showing up, true it happens, lots of times at last min someone calls with some sort of emergency got to do thing, we usually worked around it best we could but with cell phones today there is no reason a call couldn't be made...

anyhwo Hope I didn't put you off I was not trying to or saying you should/shouldn't do this or that just that some items can make things go SMOOTHER just as getting the guys there on-tiem in the AM with doughnuts and coffee! one way to get them there early... say I'm here till 8 am then leaving and taking the food tomarrow! I'm sure they will be there on-time or early! lol

Mark M /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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