New JD 1000 Series Cab

[Scooby074]

x2, It's one thing if they had to completely redesign the tractor, but they have already put it through it's paces. If people want to buy it they will. I don't see the harm in having it here.

Again, i bet its safety (as in ROPS) that its not here.

Why not email JD and get an answer?

 

[Martian]

Again, i bet its safety (as in ROPS) that its not here.

Why not email JD and get an answer?

You mean they have to take the ROPS out for the cab? As in that tractor tips on a hill and that entire cab collapses in on me, stranding me in that little thing? If that's so why do they sell them! That's dangerous, if that was the case I'd know why they don't have them over here, and I wouldn't want one. Doesn't seem like that medal bar would take up to much space for it to be safe and have the cab though...

 

[Scooby074]

You mean they have to take the ROPS out for the cab? As in that tractor tips on a hill and that entire cab collapses in on me, stranding me in that little thing? If that's so why do they sell them! That's dangerous, if that was the case I'd know why they don't have them over here, and I wouldn't want one. Doesn't seem like that medal bar would take up to much space for it to be safe and have the cab though...

I dont know idf they remove the ROPS or not, but on most cab tractors the ROPS is built into the cab.

On a Scut, that could potentially put a lot of weight up high on a narrow platform, causing instability.

In the few pictures ive seen, it appears that the ROPS hoop has been removed from the euro spec tractors with cabs. And looking at the euro cabs themselves, they look pretty light construction, as in, they dont look to have NA ROPS. That doesnt mean however that it would collapse on you in a roll over. Scuts are pretty light machines (relative) and likely the euro cab would be strong enough, but the factory couldnt sell it here unless they could certify it to the NA standard.

On top of all that, IF the euro cabs are roll over certified they would be certified to the Euro standard, not the NA standard which means that they wouldn't be approved anyways without having to be re-certified. Much like cars that meet the Euro standard cant be sold here without being re-certified. Rightly or wrongly in Deere's (or kubota's) eyes, it may not be financially worth it to design a cab for the scuts that meets the NA ROPS standard so it could be sold here.

Case in point, heres the euro BX2350. Notice the ROPS is quite a bit different from the NA style as it meets the required euro standard. Also notice that SWEET high dump powerflow rear bagger that we dont get. Too bad, it would be awesome.

EDIT: After MUCH searching i found the press release for the Euro 1000 series. It can be found here http://www.deere.com/wps/dcom/en_IN.../press_releases/2011/aug/compact_tractor.page There is also a small photo gallery showing the euro machine., You also can see the additional ROPS lighting the euro spec tractors require (same lighting as on the kubota's). I was unable to find a brochure.

 

[mjncad]

As intrusive as most European gummints are, I doubt very much that the cabs offered on European spec tractors are weaker than open station ROPS are.

Now if we're talking BFE (Bum Frak Egypt), all bets are off.

I think a lot of it is marketing on each side of the pond where the marketing guys in Europe want to portray their equipment as civilized, while the American marketing tactic is the rugged individual who doesn't need a cab. I suspect that will change as more customers demand cabs for 1000 and 2000 class machines.

 

[Scooby074]

As intrusive as most European gummints are, I doubt very much that the cabs offered on European spec tractors are weaker than open station ROPS are.

Yes. I wasnt clear in my post, but anything sold with a cab in western europe would absolutely have be to their standard, however their standard is different than ours, which was what i was getting at. There are still new tractors last time i looked being sold in europe by the big manufacturers without any ROPS at all, so there must be some loopholes in the regulations. If such loopholes exist, and tractors can be sold without ANY ROPS, then its possible that cabs for these tractors dont meet ROPS standards either.

These are current machines with no ROPS. Sorry for all the Orange, but Deere's european website leaves alot to be desired.

The european cab could very well meet NA standards, and if it does than their are other forces at work here, like increased cost or perhaps "image" like you suggested.

 

[ctlguy]

If you're meaning the market here for factory cabs wouldn't be justifed. I think JD needs to do an owners poll. They would be very surprised.

Personally,I'm pissed that the Europeans have so much more to choose from.

Greg

Not exactly what I meant but I could have been clearer. There does of course need to be a specific percentage of take rates for it to be profitable. If it is not an area (at this point in time) that doesn't make em extra cash and or ms gain then why do it? I love that I make decent money on my JD stock and am happy that the big guys make these decisions accordingly. It could very well be that these options are just around the corner, maybe not, and maybe they have made a huge mistake in not offering already. The subcompact world is incredibly competitive. We all see numerous posts where they would buy this feature but also see a lot that buyers are buying on Price alone. Just my opinion not trying to offend. What I would be curios to know is what is the take rate in europe? Keeping in mind that it is a whole nother ball game in terms of how tractors are used, lifestyle, culture, etc. In many areas the family tractor is still the family vehicle although the compact world probably does not apply like the large tractor world where as mentioned before the brake, signal lights, air brakes, etc. That all being said Deere did drop the ball in how long it took them to offer factory cabs I think and I believe it cost them market share in the above 40hp market (where Deere starts their market share measurements)

 

[Cyclone Jake]

Deere could also be afraid it would detract too much from sales of their current cab lineup. I am sure there are plenty of people who stepped up to the 3000 series specifically for the cab when they would have been quite content with a smaller model. With the subcompact market so competitive, they may make more money on the larger cab tractors then they would on the smaller ones. Also, Europe tends to be slightly cooler overall than the US. Without AC as an option, it might be a harder sell in the southern states.

 

[Scooby074]

I just sent Deere an email asking if the 1000 series cabs (and front 3 pt) are coming, and if not, how come?

It'll be interesting to see if they respond. Their contact options from their website suck. The only email i could find was for generic website "feedback". Hopefully it will get forwarded to the correct people.

 

[JB2]

I tell you, if Deere offered a factory cab on the 1026R over here in North America, like the one avalible over in Europe, I would be heading down to the dealer to place an order for a 1026R. In the meantime though, my 2006 Deere 2305 with Curtis Cab, has been a good unit for me with no complaints whatever.
Did Deere offer a "Factory Cab" for the 2305 in Europe before the 1026R came along?

I guess if someone wanted a 1026R with the factory cab bad enough, they could import it to North America.

Jason B

 

[mjncad]

I just sent Deere an email asking if the 1000 series cabs (and front 3 pt) are coming, and if not, how come?

It'll be interesting to see if they respond. Their contact options from their website suck. The only email i could find was for generic website "feedback". Hopefully it will get forwarded to the correct people.

Don't hold your breath on getting anything more than a standard form letter response that essentially says nothing in regards to your question.

Yes. I wasnt clear in my post, but anything sold with a cab in western europe would absolutely have be to their standard, however their standard is different than ours, which was what i was getting at. There are still new tractors last time i looked being sold in europe by the big manufacturers without any ROPS at all, so there must be some loopholes in the regulations. If such loopholes exist, and tractors can be sold without ANY ROPS, then its possible that cabs for these tractors dont meet ROPS standards either.

These are current machines with no ROPS. Sorry for all the Orange, but Deere's european website leaves alot to be desired.

The european cab could very well meet NA standards, and if it does than their are other forces at work here, like increased cost or perhaps "image" like you suggested.

It looks like the Kubota ad is from France based on the wording. Also I see the HP maxes out at 18; so I'm guessing whether a ROPS is required or not is based on HP and machine weight.

I'm guessing the southern and eastern European countries would be the most lenient, while the northern and western countries would have the most stringent ROPS regulations. Where France falls on that guess list is anyone's SWAG.