New life to an older war horse

[dragoneggs]

Copper is far superior to Aluminum taking cost out of the equation. Higher conductivity and tensile strength are the greatest advantages.

 

[Arc weld]

Price out a new 200D Lincoln Pipeliner. They are more money than the bigger non true generator machines.

 

[Frank Surber]

Back in the day the only rods in the box would have been Lincoln Fleetweld 5p, & Jetweld LH70
The 5P were so red when fresh they would die your glove.
You set your heat so that you litter ally pushed your root rod into the gap. if Done correctly you could almost do it without your helmet because 90% of the arc would be on the inside of the pipe This only worked on the up-hand I have many times had half the flux be peeled from the rod only to curl around it un-burned. when a coupon was cut out it looked as if the bead was done from the inside. you would smoke a rod at a little over half a rod. Line foremen hated it because to them you were wasting rods. What none of them ever knew if everything went like it should was you laid the blackened rods aside to cool off then later when no one was looking you turned your machine up a little and used those black stubs in your hot pass. You used a lazy J pattern for the filler pass and an ∞ pattern for the cap. but you always found a way to to sneak your mark into the pattern somewhere

 

[Frank Surber]

One other old machine that I need to rebuild

 

[Frank Surber]

One other old machine that I need to rebuild
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[stihlman]

That's a neat old Hobart. Does that one use the slant six Chrysler? How were the generators constructed on those, all copper like the Lincoln welders of that time? I think I remember that is a G203 model, I have seen a few

 

[Frank Surber]

this one is a 300 amp 1950 something Pretty sure a 1958 but haven't confirmed the S# yet
it has the Chrysler industrial flat head the block is 23" long meaning it is a 230 CId engine
the 25" blocks were 251& 265 CID & the 30" blocks were 331CId there were some larger Chrysler 6 cyl flat head engine including 1 monster @ 413CID Also one called the A57 multibank it had 5 251" blocks mounted to a Central core crank case with 5 crankshafts gear connected to a single output shaft.
The flat head was produced for welders, pumps, forklifts. and stationary applications at least through 1972
I can hardly wait till I have the spare time to start refurbishing this old gem

 

[Frank Surber]

Stihlman; to answer your question about the generator portion. back then the Generator was constructed very similar to the lincolns they had 3000 watt 110v DC for auxiliary power

 

[muddstopper]

Lots of things could have changed on a machine over the years. The octagon barrel is bigger to fit the aluminum shunt coils but some people have rebuilt the octagons using the copper shunt coils. Stacking dimes refers to downhand 6010 that is used on pipelines. 7018 should be a really smooth bead not a stack of dimes )

Arc, I am only going on hearsay and what I have been told by a old pipeline welder. According to him, the First Octagon barrel machines where the same as the old round barrel except that in an order for Lincoln to save money, the octagon barrel didnt have the finished machining to make it appear round. then later in lincolns further attemps to save money they changed the windings to the aluminum clad . Because of the difference in wire sizes, this did necessitate changes in the barrel to accept the large coils.
I havent talked to anybody that can confirm or refute the accuratcy of these statements. so I dont know how true or not true this is. My machine is currently disassembled, and I am pretty sure it has all the original coils. If someone can tell me how to check for the all copper or aluminum clad, I could do the checks., Doing an ohm test suggest that my coils are all copper.

 

[Reyer Farms]

Have any of y'all welder with a Fowler or fowler mainliner? I have once it's a nice setup. I put some fowler brushes on an old SA 200. It was a copper clad nothing special, but it was there when I busted my first pipe test! I had two SA 200 with red seals, sold both. If you are rebuilding one I would check out Fowler.