New owner headaches

[slwelch]

All I am saying is you need to be very careful with these new tractors where you get you fuel. I run off road fuel and with in one tank I will go into a burn off. I run the good stuff and it doesn't do it, I have owned this tractor since January got it new. And had nothing but trouble at first and if you think I am the first to have this problem take the time a read back on the new tractors people are buying from kioti 2016 and up. Before 2016 they didn't have this, I wish I would of got a older tractor.

 

[fried1765]

All I am saying is you need to be very careful with these new tractors where you get you fuel. I run off road fuel and with in one tank I will go into a burn off. I run the good stuff and it doesn't do it, I have owned this tractor since January got it new. And had nothing but trouble at first and if you think I am the first to have this problem take the time a read back on the new tractors people are buying from kioti 2016 and up. Before 2016 they didn't have this, I wish I would of got a older tractor.

Going out right now, to hug my restored Ford 1920 FEL.... again!

 

[powerscol]

These new machines don't like it mine is a 2016 with that burn off on it I have had nothing but issues using off road fuel read your manual it even says don't run it, there is a reason for it. My 2011 didn't have the Burn off on it, it ran fine they just came out with this crap last year on these tractors it sucks

It could be your getting BIO-Diesel and not know it. I will not run that junk in anything I own - too many issues.

 

[DieselBound]

All I am saying is you need to be very careful with these new tractors where you get you fuel. I run off road fuel and with in one tank I will go into a burn off. I run the good stuff and it doesn't do it, I have owned this tractor since January got it new. And had nothing but trouble at first and if you think I am the first to have this problem take the time a read back on the new tractors people are buying from kioti 2016 and up. Before 2016 they didn't have this, I wish I would of got a older tractor.

"Off-road" vs "on-road" has to do with taxation. Farmers and such don't operate on public roadways so they shouldn't be assessed taxes/fees that are designed to be applied to maintaining public roadways. "Off-road" is also referred to as "red diesel" because it's dyed red. This requirement is to deter people from buying fuel for cheaper and running it in vehicles on public roads: if you're suspected of doing so you get "dipped" (the red tint will show up).

As powerscol says, it may be a bio-diesel issue. BUT, it's far more likely that the on-road stuff you're pumping has bio-diesel than off-road. My same Chevron distributor that I get off-road diesel from carries ethanol free gasoline (which I run in my power equipment).

 

[Amvcane]

I do not know what the sulfur contents in the fuels in Maine are, but here in PA we have different grades in my area.
Diesel at the pump 15ppm of sulfur plus additives
Off road diesel/home heating oil at the pump 15ppm sulfur, plus additives
Home heating oil/off road diesel delivered to house for heating 500ppm sulfur no additives. A couple of years ago this was 3000-4500ppm sulfur.
These newer tier 4 engines want ultra low sulfur diesel, 15ppm sulfur. I wonder if some of these regen issues could be fuel related?

 

[DieselBound]

Off-road diesel is not the same as home heating oil, not around here it is not (and I doubt that it's different elsewhere, but I can't claim to know what happens everywhere). While folks have, and can in older engines (which I have plenty of), run it in their equipment, home heating oil is different.

"Additives" could be any number of things. Modern engines almost all require "additives" of some sort: those used in engine oils make a very big, positive impact. Using the word to sound scary breeds ignorance.

How many regen issues are there? Before going on a big scare campaign how about quantifying this supposed "problem?"

My data point, MY personal experience, is that I have 216 hours in about 1 year on my Tier IV DPF tractor and I have not had any regen issues (and regens, as I've noted, for me, have been more than tolerable- only once did I keep running the tractor when I'd have otherwise not cared to- I was out in the field and didn't really need the tractor running at the time but the regen popped up so I set the RPMs and let it go- I was on-foot doing some fencing).

 

[slwelch]

I do not know what the sulfur contents in the fuels in Maine are, but here in PA we have different grades in my area.
Diesel at the pump 15ppm of sulfur plus additives
Off road diesel/home heating oil at the pump 15ppm sulfur, plus additives
Home heating oil/off road diesel delivered to house for heating 500ppm sulfur no additives. A couple of years ago this was 3000-4500ppm sulfur.
These newer tier 4 engines want ultra low sulfur diesel, 15ppm sulfur. I wonder if some of these regen issues could be fuel related?

Yes that's just the point I was trying to get across, thank you

 

[slwelch]

Off-road diesel is not the same as home heating oil, not around here it is not (and I doubt that it's different elsewhere, but I can't claim to know what happens everywhere). While folks have, and can in older engines (which I have plenty of), run it in their equipment, home heating oil is different.

"Additives" could be any number of things. Modern engines almost all require "additives" of some sort: those used in engine oils make a very big, positive impact. Using the word to sound scary breeds ignorance.

How many regen issues are there? Before going on a big scare campaign how about quantifying this supposed "problem?"

My data point, MY personal experience, is that I have 216 hours in about 1 year on my Tier IV DPF tractor and I have not had any regen issues (and regens, as I've noted, for me, have been more than tolerable- only once did I keep running the tractor when I'd have otherwise not cared to- I was out in the field and didn't really need the tractor running at the time but the regen popped up so I set the RPMs and let it go- I was on-foot doing some fencing).

I don't know what your talking about no one said home heating oil is the same as off road diesel, there is a sulfur difference in off road diesel that is giving these new tractors trouble. Just because your not having trouble there are a lot of people who are

 

[slwelch]

DieselBound tell us why all these brand new machines are having so much trouble with the regen. And tell us why kioti hasn't fixed the problem, because I talked to a kioti dealer and they are just waiting for a recall on this problem from kioti. They know there is a problem everyone except you. I paid over 20k for a machine that is picky as ****

 

[finn1]

At one time, off road Diesel had a higher sulfur level than on road Diesel.

No more, though, since off road equipment has essentially the same emission equipment now as on highway.

B10 increases passive regeneration slightly, so using B10 will actually reduce the time between active regenerations.

Home heating oil is similar to Diesel fuel, but has different cleanliness and may have lower cetane numbers.

From a practical standpoint, most jobbers (and refiners, for that matter) sell heating oil that is actually the same as on road diesel.

Pure economics in play here. It's simpler to make large volumes of on highway fuel in a modern refinery than deal with multiple products and distribution and tankage cross contamination issues.

All diesel specs fit within the heating oil specs (but not vice versa).