Just wondering if anyone has been able to get a replacement gasket for the air cleaner oil bowl? Saw some mention of it in this thread but no resolution. I've been using an oring that is not quite thick enough and it leaks a bit. Obviously RTV wont work as I want to be able to change the oil in there...
JC-jetro
Elite Member
I have changed the oil in the bowl but just can't remember if I had a gasket there. RTV still is pretty good idea but you got to do it a bit differently. I take the bowl off, remove the oil, degrease the lips of the bowl, dry it out, put good bead of rtv appropriate with the application and let it cure completely over night. Then put it on like normal, it will only stick to the bowl and not to the top, seals pretty good and you can repeat as necessary. cured RTV would stay pliable and act perfectly like a formed gasket.
JC,
old1500
Silver Member
I don't have a gasket either and mine doesn't leak. It's a 1500, but it has the same breather as the 1700. This is not a SA remark.....are you sure it is not over-filled?
I am sure it wasn't overfilled, it has a max fill line on it. New Holland website shows a gasket there, but it is no longer available and does not have sizing info.
I was considering buying an oring splicing kit for around $40. More than I wanted to spend, and will likely end up collecting dust after one use. The RTV idea just seems messy although JCs description doesn't sound too bad...
Right now I am using a standard buna-N oring sized 350 (i think) and was thinking something in the 4xx (430?) range might work. Though it probably has a metric size I'm sure it won't matter as long as it squishes in there.
When I bought the tractor, the PO of several years had never maintained the air cleaner, other than to pull the bowl and dump out the rainwater before starting....
I was considering buying an oring splicing kit for around $40. More than I wanted to spend, and will likely end up collecting dust after one use. The RTV idea just seems messy although JCs description doesn't sound too bad...
Right now I am using a standard buna-N oring sized 350 (i think) and was thinking something in the 4xx (430?) range might work. Though it probably has a metric size I'm sure it won't matter as long as it squishes in there.
When I bought the tractor, the PO of several years had never maintained the air cleaner, other than to pull the bowl and dump out the rainwater before starting....
JC-jetro
Elite Member
If you're good at doing a caulk job with steady hand and patience you can make a good gasket. Once RTV blue is cured it will not at all be tacky to touch. it will stick the bowl and when you want can easily pull and peel it off. cured gasket will not stick to the top side at all.
Good luck,
JC,
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jimmysisson
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Or take the bowl to a good local auto parts store, plead ignorant, and ask them to help find you the $1 o-ring.
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Allee
Bronze Member
I closed the hood and a lose battery cable snapped the front off of the solenoid and fried a bunch of wires. I need to buy a new solenoid but don't know how to correct the wiring. Most of the wiring has been disconnected as I have no lights (front, back, brake) and I don't know how to reinstall them. I have a wiring diagram in my shop manual but don't know anything about wiring. I wish there was a wiring harness available with the different colored wires because if I do it they'll all be the same. What gage wire do I use? I notice on the diagram 2-3 different sizes but I don't know what to use. Should I call a mechanic and have him come out to do the work or can I do it myself?
JC-jetro
Elite Member
I'm just going to make a wild guess and say you're major wirng is still in tact, have you checked any of your fuses? do you know where they are? do you tale tell sign of burns on wiring harness? if you take the fuel tank off, pretty easy with removing two 10 mm nut then you have access to a lot of wiring. Look and sign of burn, smell of burnt insulator and such. That might tell you a lot. It will be difficult to redo the harness without basics of electrical knowledge. When you short of a circuit something got to give and most probable would be the fuses.
JC,
Allee
Bronze Member
When I remove the fuel tank as you have done its a web of wires everywhere. Yours looks so clean! Yes, I do know where the fuse box is and I'll check that. The wires coming off of the solenoid though are fried. The yellow insulation looks like it's been shrink wrapped. I bought some wire and connectors to replace it but I'm not certain what gauge I need. I bought 10 but think it may be 12. Another issue is my idiot lights. The alternator and oil pressure lights stay on while running and I can only keep a charge for a few days but most often it's dead the next day. I've replaced the alternator twice (I'm not a mechanic) but now think it's been my wiring or connections all along. And then, the glow plug coil in the dash has never worked and I've just had to guess if the plugs are hot enough for starting. That's okay for warm weather but the pits when it gets cold. Lastly, I bought a new spedometer cable but when I installed it it broke the needle in the dial, then the wire housing unraved and was became twisted at the block. If it weren't for bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all.
JC-jetro
Elite Member
Alee,
- Tae a pic of anything you do so you can reverse it. fried wiring harness still shows the same lay out and there will be tell tale sign as you go along.
- Take the solenoid wire, go to home depot, compare and contrast with stranded wire that they have and match. Might need to ask someone in their electrical dept. I think it might be 12 as the solenoid does not carry a lot of juice.
- You can verify solenoid operation directly with a 12 portable battery to see if ir makes.
- idiot light can be and should be individually inspected. oil is normally closed, and temperature is a variable resistance type. Key in on positions and the light should come on to show wiring is in tact. Turning engine on would open oil pressure.
-clutch neutral safety is normally open switch so when you press the clutch closes the switch and completes the starting circuit.
-with the switch off verify the voltage to glow plug, very simple.. no juice. With the key on glow you should read 12 volts give or take some. Ground =is negative and the bust bar going to glow plug with wire is positive. Yo do need a voltmeter to do that. A $3 HF cheesy voltmeter is good enough for your purposes.
- You did not install the wire on hour meter right. The square end of wire goes to a a gear in timing belt cover area that you apparently connected correctly, something was binding on the opposite end that caused the twisting and eventual damage. Next time connect the meter and see if you can turn it by hand or may be use a drill on the end and put the square in the chuck and slowly turn. Observe if the tach moves. You might have damaged your meter where it is binding.
By the way, I'm a card carrying member of " if it weren't for bad luck , would not have any luck at all", so I know what you are talking about but at least in my case most of it is self inflicted
and cure for it is perseverance.
- Tae a pic of anything you do so you can reverse it. fried wiring harness still shows the same lay out and there will be tell tale sign as you go along.
- Take the solenoid wire, go to home depot, compare and contrast with stranded wire that they have and match. Might need to ask someone in their electrical dept. I think it might be 12 as the solenoid does not carry a lot of juice.
- You can verify solenoid operation directly with a 12 portable battery to see if ir makes.
- idiot light can be and should be individually inspected. oil is normally closed, and temperature is a variable resistance type. Key in on positions and the light should come on to show wiring is in tact. Turning engine on would open oil pressure.
-clutch neutral safety is normally open switch so when you press the clutch closes the switch and completes the starting circuit.
-with the switch off verify the voltage to glow plug, very simple.. no juice. With the key on glow you should read 12 volts give or take some. Ground =is negative and the bust bar going to glow plug with wire is positive. Yo do need a voltmeter to do that. A $3 HF cheesy voltmeter is good enough for your purposes.
- You did not install the wire on hour meter right. The square end of wire goes to a a gear in timing belt cover area that you apparently connected correctly, something was binding on the opposite end that caused the twisting and eventual damage. Next time connect the meter and see if you can turn it by hand or may be use a drill on the end and put the square in the chuck and slowly turn. Observe if the tach moves. You might have damaged your meter where it is binding.
By the way, I'm a card carrying member of " if it weren't for bad luck , would not have any luck at all", so I know what you are talking about but at least in my case most of it is self inflicted
and cure for it is perseverance.HEL
New member
Help! My husband and I just bought a 1700. My first time on anything bigger than a lawnmower. Anyways, how does the cold start aid work? I'm pretty sure mine isn't. Of course I'm not really doing anything to actually turn it on either...Do you have to turn it on? Don't laugh, I mean to tackle this sucker even if it kills me. So like I said before.....HELP?!
JC-jetro
Elite Member
Welcome to TBN Blue
1700 is great little tractor with much potential if it is in good working condition. I have never had a hard time starting mine in cold but I always summer or winter use the glow plug for at least 15-20 second or till the wire timer indicator glows red. You want to make sure if you have voltage at the glow plugs. give us a bit more info about age, condition of your machine and what problem if any you have to get it going. Remember you have to have fuel available for combustion and compression for it to start. what is your mechanical experience along with your husband as a tag team?
1700 is great little tractor with much potential if it is in good working condition. I have never had a hard time starting mine in cold but I always summer or winter use the glow plug for at least 15-20 second or till the wire timer indicator glows red. You want to make sure if you have voltage at the glow plugs. give us a bit more info about age, condition of your machine and what problem if any you have to get it going. Remember you have to have fuel available for combustion and compression for it to start. what is your mechanical experience along with your husband as a tag team?
captaincrab55
Silver Member
If you have Glo Plugs, turn the Key to the left for about 20 seconds.
Allee
Bronze Member
I just recieved an All States AG Parts Catalog and WoW! 1700 parts are as rare as Hen's Teeth and of course what they do have are pricey.
I finally got my new solenoid installed and drove the tractor around for awhile but the alternator light is still on. The glow plug light has gone off, finally, but not so with the alternator. I need to run a bunch of tests before I install my new voltage regulator but I can't get enough juice to get it started. Using the key the engine barely turns over and with it hot-wired I get the same results. I've jumped the battery, and installed a fully charged battery but get no umpf to the starter. It turns but not fast enough nor long enough to start. I've cleaned the posts and wires but again nothing. Next, I'll replace the +/- wire leads to the battery but beyond that I'm at a loss. When I had it started the last time it was just after I had replaced the starter and alternator wires so I know what I did has worked. I didn't have a dual wire clip to connect to the alternator (solenoid and starter wires) so I used two seperate clips. Could that be a problem? I don't think so, because it did start after I made that adjustment. What next? The extra wire on the positive battery wire is only for exterior solenoids (not attached to the starter), correct?
I finally got my new solenoid installed and drove the tractor around for awhile but the alternator light is still on. The glow plug light has gone off, finally, but not so with the alternator. I need to run a bunch of tests before I install my new voltage regulator but I can't get enough juice to get it started. Using the key the engine barely turns over and with it hot-wired I get the same results. I've jumped the battery, and installed a fully charged battery but get no umpf to the starter. It turns but not fast enough nor long enough to start. I've cleaned the posts and wires but again nothing. Next, I'll replace the +/- wire leads to the battery but beyond that I'm at a loss. When I had it started the last time it was just after I had replaced the starter and alternator wires so I know what I did has worked. I didn't have a dual wire clip to connect to the alternator (solenoid and starter wires) so I used two seperate clips. Could that be a problem? I don't think so, because it did start after I made that adjustment. What next? The extra wire on the positive battery wire is only for exterior solenoids (not attached to the starter), correct?
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Allee
Bronze Member
Also my glo plug coil does not heat up and glow. How come?
JC-jetro
Elite Member
Have you made any voltage measurement? there is no timer or relay with the glow plug. The glow indicator is just a piece of resistive wire that will glow red in many seconds indicating flow to the circuit and time required for the preheat. Need to see if you have juice in the battery side of the glow indicator. If glow indicator is open (burnt) then you can use may a 18 gauge wire to short the contact. it will kind of act like a slow fuse and completes the circuit if you have your key in pre-heat position. Give it 10 to 20 seconds for proper pre heat. You might measure voltage right at the glow plug for verification. You can take out the glow plug and put 12 volt on and measure the heat with IR thermometer. What is the output of the alternator and how that change with varying rpm?
JC,
Allee
Bronze Member
Thank you. As directed I'll check the juice to both the glo plug and the indicator coil. I can't start my tractor at the moment because of lack of juice to the starter. I've tried to clean up the wires to the battery but in starting all I get is a slow turn. I had spliced new wires to the solenoid, alternator, and voltage regular, it started the first time, but now all it does is drag. I've recharged the battery and tried jumping it but get the same results! Must be a week positive or negative lead to the battery. Yes, or maybe?
Allee
Bronze Member
Hey, do you have pictures of the equipment you've manufactured? I would like to find or have made a rock comb to attach to my front loader to pick up river rock. The comb would seperate the rock from the dirt, leave the dirt and allow me to load the rock for dumping on my rock pile. Any leads or ideas? If possible, I want a loader attachment and not a pull behind.
captaincrab55
Silver Member
have you checked the starter??
Allee
Bronze Member
Thanks for the advice. I'll try the differnet steps once I get the tractor restarted. I can't get enough juice to the starter. I installed a new solenoid and it started super the first time but hasn't started since. I've have several volt meters and learn something new each time I use one. My glo plug light in the dash goes off after starting but the alternator light stays on and is not charging. I see that I've written to you on several different pages and it may seem like I'm repeating myself. If I am, please just ignore my repetativity, much like stupidity, both can come with age I just don't know which came first..
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