New tractor filled tires?

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I am planning to make a deal on a new Kubota 5460 cabbed tractor this week. I have all but settled on how I want the tractor equipped except I have not decided if I want to fill the R4 rear tires. The dealer will include at no cost filling the tires with water and antifreeze. Will this create problems with rusted rims in the years to come? If I have the tires filled do I want them 50%, 75%, etc. filled? The tractors primary uses will be FEL, grapple, and RC with occasional box blade, tiller, and PHD tasks. My property has hilly sections.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #2  
No issues with that mix, and especially if they are willing to include it, do it.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #3  
75% with beet juice..
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #4  
Also had 75% beet juice in rear R4's.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #6  
I just rusted a set of rims with CC. I went with Ballast Star this time.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #7  
I am planning to make a deal on a new Kubota 5460 cabbed tractor this week. I have all but settled on how I want the tractor equipped except I have not decided if I want to fill the R4 rear tires..

The cab on a Kubota L5460 will add about 800 pounds, with most of the weight over the rear tires.
That is enough. I would inflate rear tires with air, the simplest option.

Maintaining traction is usually only an issue with ground engagement work. The only moderately demanding ground engagement work you foresee is pulling a Box Blade. The 800 pound cab will put sufficient weight on the rear tires to maintain traction driven by 56-horsepower gross.

The rear R4 tires on the Grand Ls are, unusually, on two part wheels. L5460 rear wheels/tires can be spread to any of three width increments: 53.5", 59.4" or 59.1" tread width. Tread width is from CENTER of one rear tire to CENTER of other rear tire. Tread width is published because tire suppliers change tire configurations but tread width is always tread width.

(Perhaps helpful: My one increment smaller L3560 with R4/industrial tires set at 52.2" tread width has an outside-to-outside tire width of 62". Tread pattern on dirt is 59" wide.)

Spreading the rear wheel/tire stance increases tractor stability more than any other individual option. Consider rear wheel spread first.

Determine max outside to outside tire spread from dealer, based on current Kubota tire offering. (Or inquire here via dedicated new thread.) Buy a 10' stick of 1-1/4" PVC pipe. Cut pipe at max tire width. Mark narrower widths on pipe. Walk around your land, comparing pipe to tree spreads, gates, etc. I did this exercise. It determined I needed a 60" wide tractor. A tractor 66" wide would have been too constraining.

I have air in the tires of my open station Kubota 'Grand L' L3560. I can pull a full Rollover Box Blade uphill in HST/LOW.
 

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/ New tractor filled tires? #8  
You ask a tractor dealer down here to fill tires with beet juice and they gonna look at ya crooked. green anti freeze or pink rv anti freeze is what they get. I did my own and iirc I put 3 gal of antifreeze in each rear tire.
 
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You ask a tractor dealer down here to fill tires with beet juice and they gonna look at ya crooked. green anti freeze or pink rv anti freeze is what they get. I did my own and iirc I put 3 gal of antifreeze in each rear tire.

Yep, those recommending beet juice didn't see the OP's state.

OP, I would still have the tires filled about 75% with water and antifreeze, preferably RV antifreeze (not lethal to animals). If they don't or won't use RV antifreeze, have them leave unfilled, get a $15 fill port from Tractor Supply 15-0 gallons of RV antifreeze at Walmart and then fill them yourself.

Good luck.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #10  
Personally, I'd go with Beet Juice. However, if you cannot get it or it is too expensive, then go with the water and antifreeze. Having ballast in the tires is far better than just air. Regardless of what others might believe, the ride is better, the FEL is better, ground engagement is better, stability is better, everything is simply better with ballast. All mid-size tractors should come with ballast in the tires.

However, please keep in mind that if you pop a hole in a filled tire, that fluid will go on to the ground. Animals and the environment will be effected. If you do get filled tires and notice a leak, rotate the hole to the top and repair the tire as soon as possible.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #11  
Fill them up, it will help with not only traction but also offset your center of gravity with that cab.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #12  
My front tires on both of my tractors are filled with foam. Once you start getting flats in them, they get to a point that they keep getting flats over and over again. Filling them with foam has solved that problem and allowed me to drive where I want without any issues. Nothing ruins a productive day like having to deal with a flat tire when you want to be doing something with the tractor.

What happens when a tire filled with water gets a flat?
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #13  
What happens when a tire filled with water gets a flat?

It usually squirts fluid on the back/side of your head if the tractor doesn't have a cab. Don't ask how I know. All the fluid in a tire came out of the earth, what does it hurt if you get a flat and it goes back into the earth? Yeah if an animal drinks it, it could kill it but what are the chances? 1 in what?
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #14  
I was more curious about how you fix the flat after it's been filled with the different fluids mentioned.. I know that with slime, they cannot get a patch to stick to the inside of the tire.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #15  
I was more curious about how you fix the flat after it's been filled with the different fluids mentioned.. I know that with slime, they cannot get a patch to stick to the inside of the tire.

Oh, sorry. I've had several rear tractor tires fixed that had fluid in them but they all had tubes. They have to suck the fluid out, remove the tire on one side then the tube, then put a regular patch on the outside of the tube if it's not too bad. If it is they replace the tube. The last few I've had done were on our Ford 4630 with 16.9-30's and they hold right at 100 gallons. They charged me less than $100 patching it and about $120 to replace the tube and put the fluid back in. That's with me hauling the tractor to them. Last flat I had I wound up having to get new rear tires and tubes. Mine had been on since 1993 and were getting thin. My tires have methanol/water mix in them. I like having tubes in the rear with fluid to keep the fluid off the rim itself.

My dad has had some they had to put a boot inside the tire with the tube and refill.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #16  
That's a lot of money to fix a flat. Before I foamed my front tires, it was $8 to patch the tire or tube, and.around $20 to out a new tube in it. Back tires are.about twice that.
 
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That's a lot of money to fix a flat. Before I foamed my front tires, it was $8 to patch the tire or tube, and.around $20 to out a new tube in it. Back tires are.about twice that.

Last front one I had fixed was $35 to patch it (7.50-16). I don't know if it's where you live and where I live or what but that's a lot of price difference.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #18  
Yep, those recommending beet juice didn't see the OP's state.

OP, I would still have the tires filled about 75% with water and antifreeze, preferably RV antifreeze (not lethal to animals). If they don't or won't use RV antifreeze, have them leave unfilled, get a $15 fill port from Tractor Supply 15-0 gallons of RV antifreeze at Walmart and then fill them yourself.

Good luck.
I did see his state and I STILL recommend BEET juice.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #19  
We've had four cab tractors and without filled tires they just spin, traction sucks. The one I use the most an L5740HSTC has fluid and wheel weights. I ran it with just fluid for a couple of years and the weights really helped. No argument on the Rimguard other than no one handles it and age makes a service call sound better and better.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong just what we use works better for us.
 
/ New tractor filled tires? #20  
I've had two tractors out here in the 38+ years I've been here. The first had the rears filled with CaCl - NEVER again. My second tractor has 1550# of Rim Gard in the rear tires. No problems what-so-ever.

I would recommend Rim Gard and have your rear tires set as wide as possible.
 

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