New Tractor Fuel additive

[cowbridge]

This is my first new tractor.

I assume its ok to use red dye diesel?

What fuel additive, if any, is recommended? Kioti ck 2610.

Thanks

 

[Fallon]

Red dye is added to indicate no road tax was paid on the fuel. Fine for tractors unless you have plates on it. You probably don't need to worry about additives unless it gets below freezing or you store your fuel for a while. I add Power Service white bottle & a biocide to my 300 gallon tank. It lasts for a year or 2 & gets cold here in Colorado.

 

[lostcreekranch]

Congrats on your new Tractor and welcome to TBN!

You did not say how you get your diesel fuel? Do you have a bulk storage tank or get it 5 gallons at a time? As Fallon stated the Red is just a dye to indicate non taxed off road fuel.

We have a 300 gallon tank and add Power Service silver bottle in summer and white bottle in winter. We use 600-700 gallons a year on average.

Here’s a product guide for Power Service Products.

Find My Product - Power Service

If you’re buying it 5 gallons at a time you probably don’t need anything unless it gets really cold there. Then maybe some PS white bottle or 911 anti-gel.

 

[George2615]

I've been using red dyed #2 diesel (home heating fuel) for 14 years now in my tractors. I fill a 275 gallon tank and use Power Service white bottle. Temps go below 0 quite often here.

 

[msb1766]

Power Service:
Gray Bottle=Summer
White Bottle=Winter
Red Bottle 911=Just in case, winter

 

[Fallon]

Power Service:
Gray Bottle=Summer
White Bottle=Winter
Red Bottle 911=Just in case, winter

Summer/winter doesn't mean much if your fuel supply lasts the majority of a year or longer. If you are buying a 2 months of fuel or less, feel free to use the grey bottle, it lubes & improves cetane. The white bottle does the same thing & helps prevent fuel gelling. My tank lasts a year so I only use white bottle.

Everybody should have a bottle of red 911, but don't use it unless you have to. It's hard on the machine. But it will un-gell the fuel & get you back online. It's much better to get the proper winter blend of fuel and/or treat it with white bottle & avoid the need for red in the first place.

 

[jbrumberg]

Additives + using a Mr. Funnel fuel/water separating funnel will do a lot at reducing the water in diesel fuel.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Buy GOOD QUALITY diesel from a fuel station that sells a fair amount of diesel and you don't need any additive!

I don't use any in ANY of my diesels, it just isn't needed.

SR

 

[lostcreekranch]

Summer/winter doesn't mean much if your fuel supply lasts the majority of a year or longer. If you are buying a 2 months of fuel or less, feel free to use the grey bottle, it lubes & improves cetane. The white bottle does the same thing & helps prevent fuel gelling. My tank lasts a year so I only use white bottle.

Everybody should have a bottle of red 911, but don't use it unless you have to. It's hard on the machine. But it will un-gell the fuel & get you back online. It's much better to get the proper winter blend of fuel and/or treat it with white bottle & avoid the need for red in the first place.

That why I asked him if he had a bulk tank or bought fuel 5 gallons at a time. If he buys it by 5 gallons, fuel should always be correct blend for the season and probably needs nothing.

 

[bkrgi]

Buy GOOD QUALITY diesel from a fuel station that sells a fair amount of diesel and you don't need any additive!

I don't use any in ANY of my diesels, it just isn't needed.

SR

I agree with this ...buy fuel from a reputable supplier and keep turning it over regularly(buy what you need short term vs storing for long periods) especially going from summer to winter.
Beyond that stay on the service interval for the fuel filters and all should be just fine.

 

[marchanna]

To clarify fact and opinion. No, you don稚 need additive. Yes, you can use additive. And yes an additive might show an improvement.

I say 杜ight because most off-the-shelf diesel fuel additives are just snake oil - they don稚 improve the lubricity of the fuel and/or they don稚 have enough cetane improver in the mix to have any significant impact.

 

[Deere Dude]

To clarify fact and opinion. No, you don稚 need additive. Yes, you can use additive. And yes an additive might show an improvement.

I say 杜ight because most off-the-shelf diesel fuel additives are just snake oil - they don稚 improve the lubricity of the fuel and/or they don稚 have enough cetane improver in the mix to have any significant impact.

X2
A injector repair facility told me fuel dyers like PS white add alcohol to do the drying but fuel is so dry already that it harms injectors. v Get used to changing fuel filters often.

THEN he added that because the fuel is so dry to use Stanadyne lubricity formula for lubing the injectors, all the time.

Cost me $5000 to find that tidbit of info out.

Ask the tractor dealer what product their warranty will stand behind and see what they say. My diesel truck dealers always say to add nothing to the fuel or oil, but my bet would be that a lub. formula might work.

 

[marchanna]

There's been several independent tests on fuel lubricity, such as the now famous Diesel Place study. A big problem with ULSD (Ulta Low Sulphur Diesel) is the lack of lubricity, which appears to correlate with higher failure rate of injectors and high pressure pumps. Many newer diesels have a specific pump lubrication systems, so this potentially solves one problem, assuming it is sufficient, but leaves the other problem unresolved. Biodiesel is very lubricious, but it has its own set of problems, such as the extra soot production that can cause oil sludging.

My opinion is, the best solution is a good fuel lubricant and a cetane improver. The problem is, everyone has an opinion on this, especially when it comes to which brand is best. But very rarely do they offer any empirical data to support it. So in the end, I worry about myself, I did my own research and spent a considerable sum of money to get my answers, and now I rest assured that I've got all the facts. I consistently get hundreds of thousands of kilometres out of my engines problem-free before I sell them off, whereas others just seem to be dumping tons of money into their engines, until they give up and say "screw it", I'm not wasting my time on diesels anymore. With my truck driver friends, I can't believe the number of issues they have - it never used to be this way.

 

[RalphVa]

Have never ever had a water problem in diesel in 39 years of driving diesel cars and 13 years now on tractors. Did have wax come out of solution from some off road diesel. White bottle additive might have prevented that.

Normally use white bottle stuff on 60 gallons in the tank on the Isuzu diesel generator. Normally don't put anything into the tractor's tank and was prohibited for the 7 years of owning VW TDI to do so. Rarely put any additive into the tank of the Benzes.

Had bio diesel-removed crud plug the filter on the 240D once, after 3 tankfuls of bio. Had wax plug the fuel filter on the 220D once in -22 F. Minor inconvenience.

I don't believe a word about fuel lubricity. Doubt the fuel pump parts ever actually rub against each other.

Ralph

 

[marchanna]

Well, diesel equipment manufacturers seem to think lubricity is an issue. So does the EU and California. They both have standards for wear scar produced in HFRR test.

 

[buickanddeere]

Power Service:
Gray Bottle=Summer
White Bottle=Winter
Red Bottle 911=Just in case, winter

Given the mild winters why add any potions, lotions or sorcery into the fuel tank ? At most some isopropyl alcohol to absorb moisture from condensation. In the summer maybe some algicide if using a bulk storage tank.

Climate Lewes - Delaware and Weather averages Lewes

 

[buickanddeere]

This is my first new tractor.

I assume its ok to use red dye diesel?

What fuel additive, if any, is recommended? Kioti ck 2610.

Thanks

. Just out of curiosity, what is stated in the operator痴 manual?

 

[buickanddeere]

Some actual test info here from controlled conditions in a laboratory. I’ll take that info over what Bubby and Billy Bob think. http://www.uaf.edu/files/acep/Diesel-Fuel-Additives-Phase-One_FinalReport_2013.pdf

 

[marchanna]

I've read that one before. It's a lit review, and fairly extensive, but I have some reservations about their conclusions. If you check their references, many are not overly relevant or otherwise come to different conclusions than the sources do. For example, their reference for their claim that there is little evidence to support performance improvement with cetane enhancers is actually a study that concluded significant increases in power and efficiency. A little odd. But they do have quite an extensive reference list of useful information.

 

[LouNY]

It is a known fact that ULSD has less lubricity then the older diesel did, sulfur is a lubricant. Maybe these newer diesels don't need any additional lubrication, but for the cost of an injector pump I will continue to add something to my fuel, it could be a commercial product, or 2 stroke oil, or ATF. And my winter fuel tank definitely gets anti-gell as well.