</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Actually STALLED the tractor engine to full quit/stop/off one time. )</font>
The only way the tractor should have stalled is if you had very low RPM which would keep the hydraulic pressure too low to get it to the relief pressure. Otherwise, the relief would have kicked in, and no stalling could have occurred.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Went to a seperate Kubota dealer. 7510HST. I understand this is lighter tractor. R4 tires.
Drove tractor, very smooth operation (steering, engine, loader). HST felt good - much 'snappier' in seat of pants.
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I also tried out the B7510 before buying my CK20H, and I didn't notice much difference in the feel of the HST. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "snappier" in the seat of the pants as HST does not perform like gears in a car and slipping the clutch and it just takes off. If you give full pressure all at once to HST, usually the engine will be pulled down a little until it equalizes and the HST catches up. I found this to be true on every HST tractor I tried. My CK20 gets up and goes just fine in either range, but I don't ever give full pedal all at once as that is just a strain on all systems.
Tests are fine, but one must understand that every test is not equal. There are many factors involved. What tires, what tire pressure, exactly what one uses to try to go over and placement of same. If you found the Kubota to be more to your liking, then that's the one you need to buy. I tried it, and did not find the differences worth the greater than $2,000 price difference at the time. I also wanted the heavier tractor, and I liked it that I didn't have to pay extra for the joystick and valve block as I would have had to do on the Kubota. Whether there is a problem with or not, I'm not sure. I do know that I'm able to do just about anything I want to do with mine, and most of that is in low range as it should be. One doesn't go running around in woods in high range. One doesn't, or shouldn't, pull logs at high speed in high range unless he/she wants trouble. I have found very few instances where I couldn't get where I needed to get in high range, and mow in high range often. If I come up against something that stops me in high range, I quickly change to low range until I get past that spot and then go back to high range. I hardly even notice it.
The way one uses a tractor has a lot to do with the results, and I find that with experience, most people learn the proper way to use what they have and are satisfied.
Kioti is going to send a tech to getut's place to check out his tractor, and they will get it to operate as it should. We should know in a few days how it goes.
As for your being "almost afraid to respond to this thread," I don't know why you or anyone should be afraid to respond. If you give your opinion in good faith, and are not just trying to stir the pot, there should be no reason for fear. Yes, we all sometimes tend to jump a little hard when it appears someone is solely trying to run down the brand without good reason (trolling). Look at the size of this thread and all the negativity that has been espoused. It's quite unusual and happened quite fast. Not usual. I can guarantee that some of the responders have no interest in Kioti at all and only like to stir up trouble. Others are sincere and just want to help. Trust me, it becomes evident after a while who the former are, and they will quite often get flamed.
I don't usually like doing such a long post, but there is a lot to be covered in response to yours. I hope you continue in TBN, and that you always find it to be a help. John
The only way the tractor should have stalled is if you had very low RPM which would keep the hydraulic pressure too low to get it to the relief pressure. Otherwise, the relief would have kicked in, and no stalling could have occurred.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Went to a seperate Kubota dealer. 7510HST. I understand this is lighter tractor. R4 tires.
Drove tractor, very smooth operation (steering, engine, loader). HST felt good - much 'snappier' in seat of pants.
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I also tried out the B7510 before buying my CK20H, and I didn't notice much difference in the feel of the HST. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "snappier" in the seat of the pants as HST does not perform like gears in a car and slipping the clutch and it just takes off. If you give full pressure all at once to HST, usually the engine will be pulled down a little until it equalizes and the HST catches up. I found this to be true on every HST tractor I tried. My CK20 gets up and goes just fine in either range, but I don't ever give full pedal all at once as that is just a strain on all systems.
Tests are fine, but one must understand that every test is not equal. There are many factors involved. What tires, what tire pressure, exactly what one uses to try to go over and placement of same. If you found the Kubota to be more to your liking, then that's the one you need to buy. I tried it, and did not find the differences worth the greater than $2,000 price difference at the time. I also wanted the heavier tractor, and I liked it that I didn't have to pay extra for the joystick and valve block as I would have had to do on the Kubota. Whether there is a problem with or not, I'm not sure. I do know that I'm able to do just about anything I want to do with mine, and most of that is in low range as it should be. One doesn't go running around in woods in high range. One doesn't, or shouldn't, pull logs at high speed in high range unless he/she wants trouble. I have found very few instances where I couldn't get where I needed to get in high range, and mow in high range often. If I come up against something that stops me in high range, I quickly change to low range until I get past that spot and then go back to high range. I hardly even notice it.
The way one uses a tractor has a lot to do with the results, and I find that with experience, most people learn the proper way to use what they have and are satisfied.
Kioti is going to send a tech to getut's place to check out his tractor, and they will get it to operate as it should. We should know in a few days how it goes.
As for your being "almost afraid to respond to this thread," I don't know why you or anyone should be afraid to respond. If you give your opinion in good faith, and are not just trying to stir the pot, there should be no reason for fear. Yes, we all sometimes tend to jump a little hard when it appears someone is solely trying to run down the brand without good reason (trolling). Look at the size of this thread and all the negativity that has been espoused. It's quite unusual and happened quite fast. Not usual. I can guarantee that some of the responders have no interest in Kioti at all and only like to stir up trouble. Others are sincere and just want to help. Trust me, it becomes evident after a while who the former are, and they will quite often get flamed.
I don't usually like doing such a long post, but there is a lot to be covered in response to yours. I hope you continue in TBN, and that you always find it to be a help. John