No Spark to plugs...please read and help

   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #41  
My first attempt was with a 12volt coil that had no resistance...that thing got so hot it would have melted the skin off my hand. Needless to say, since I've changed to the one I put the picture up of, it doesn't really get hot at all. It might warm up a few degrees, but it stays much much cooler.

Has the tractor ran since you installed the new coil?
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help
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#42  
Yes, it has ran with its current set up (to include the new coil). The last time it ran was about 2 weeks ago. It fired up with no hesitation at all and I let it run for about 45 minutes. I think I stalled it out when I was working the throttle though and since then it has not run.
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #43  
Yes, it has ran with its current set up (to include the new coil). The last time it ran was about 2 weeks ago. It fired up with no hesitation at all and I let it run for about 45 minutes. I think I stalled it out when I was working the throttle though and since then it has not run.

Oh well it was a thought. It's really hard helping to trouble shoot a problem without being there! LOL
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help
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#44  
Oh well it was a thought. It's really hard helping to trouble shoot a problem without being there! LOL

Amen to that! I appreciate all the help though!
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #45  
If you didn't install a resistor you may have burned out your coil. I would think that be the issue if it worked before converting to 12 volts and then ran a few times after. Even 12 volt coils require the resistor, they start on 12 Volt but run on 6. No resistor would put 12 to the coil all the time.

Sorry.. but that's simply incorrect here in this application.

a napa ic14 / SB coil is a native 12v coil. requires no resistor.

you are evidently thinking of a later 65+ 3 cyl design that used a 6v coil, 12v system, and a resistor wire. during starting, the coil got full voltage int he start position.. once started, in the run position, the coil rcvd power thru the resistor wire.

this system is NOT like that... 4 cyl fords 53-64 are my specialty... got dozens of them in the barn. they were all 6v gas, or 12v if diesel, ( 1959 ) from the factory.. no 12v start / 6v run jobs oem...

soundguy
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #46  
How much voltage should be at the coil when I'm cranking over? I tested that last night and was at about 8.5-9volts when cranking. I am also going to get a new distributor cap, dust cover and clip to try tonight.

I agree with DR dave. when you see a system that tries to start the moment you let off the starter.. it usually menas low power to the coil.

wow.. 8.5-9v atr the coil.. that's pretty low!! I would think it should be more like 10v.

double check your wireing to make sur ethere are no hidden resistor or resistor wire feeding it.

here another test you can do.

got a spare battery? hotwire the coil from a spare car battery.. or lawnmower battery.. ie.. ground the battery to chassie, and run hot wire to coil primary.. now crankt he tractor over.. see if spark is hotter and she starts. post back
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #47  
Have you double checked your point gap?
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #48  
Look, the OP said he had the requisite FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK at the coil high tension lead indicating that the primary ignition circuit IS NOT THE PROBLEM! Generally the starter will pull a 12V battery voltage down to 10V+/_ during a start so that's not anything abnormal.

IF, with the points closed and the key on, the the primary voltage at the coil terminal is less than the battery voltage OP should not be seeing the FAT, BLUISH -WHITE SPARK that he claims to be seeing due to an abnormally high resisitance in the primary circuit. So either he has the the requisite spark and the problem is in the high tension system downstream of the coil, OR he doesn't have the requisite spark at the high tension lead and his problem is in the primary circuit.
Can't have it both ways.

You can eliminate part of the primary circuit by jumping the coil to battery directly and then checking the spark or trying a start. Or, if you have a spare battery or a vehichle with a 12v system as Sounder suggests, you can jump from it directly to the coil and eliminate the starter drawdown and the primary ignition circuit to the coil.
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #49  
dizzy wasn't snatched out of this machine was it?

with #1 on tdc comp stroke.. is the rotor pointing at the tower going to that plug?

has dizzy been repalced.. or parted together.. perhaps another advance? advance from the 00 to the naa are IIRC not compatible..
 
   / No Spark to plugs...please read and help #50  
Good ideas, to try another battery, hooked up to coil and engine ground.

If this does not work, maybe new coil has an issue. I am not familiar with this coil. How can it provide enough voltage at normal crank voltage of 10.5 to 12V, and operate at run voltage of 13.5 to 14V and not overheat?
I read on anouther forum, that NAPA has 2 of these coils, US and China models, one has issues! Which do you have?

Good luck, keep at it!

Dave
 

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