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<font color=blue>I really prefer telling the tranny
what to do and when. </font color=blue>

My sentiments exactly Dan /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
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Sticks are more macho! Hauling a load, starting up a hill with a load, driving on a slick surface, and about a jillion other truck things are easier or better or both with an automagic tranny. If you drive long distances with little start and stop, don't get off the highway, don't drive in poor traction situations, or will go crazy if your hands don't have something to do, then get a stick. I come down hard on manual tranny for good reason. It isn't that I don't like them, I do. It isn't that I can't use them, I can. I can drive a stick (with a light load) from point A to point B (with little or no stop and go traffic) without using the clutch(yes yo can stop and start the vehicle without a clutch, it just isn't real good for thte machine). I did it a couple times to prove a point/win a bet.

Lots of guys (and some women) think they are somehow more in tune with the inner spirit of driving if they get to do what an automatic can do for them, usually better. It is often an image thing. Fangio, Craig Breedlove, and a host of big name old line drivers used sticks because that is what worked. A lot of good race cars these days aren't using standard manual transmissions. I'm sure the manual crank started cars had a folowing too when all the wimps were going to electric start. Real pilots fly planes without enclosed cockpits and "prop" the engine to start it.

Manual hubs for 4wd are a rare treat also. I especially like the part where the reason you need to engage 4wd is because you are stuck in the mud. Get out of your nicely carpeted and upholstered cab in your nice clothes and shoes to slip around in the mud to engage the hubs and one of them is always a little sticky and requires you to get back in to "jog her a bit" and then get out in the mud again to try again to get the second hub engaged. Yeah, an excuse to play in the mud and track it in your vehicle, what sport, how macho, "but honey, a man has to do what a man has to do".

The original "good" turn signals didn't self cancel and therefore didn't turn themselves off if you turn the wheel back a ways forcing you to hit the switch again to start up the flashers again to keep signaling your intentions. I wonder what it would cost to special order a vehicle without those annoying self canceling flashers? Then there are those annoying automatically darkening rear view mirrors that reduce the strength of the light in your eyes from cars behind you. They should have a manual control. Cars used to have the spark advance control for the driver to set. Nowadays you have to settle for whatever some stupid computer gives you. Surely knowlegeable drivers would want to set the advance manually. And on and on and on. Gotta quit now, both my tongue and cheek are getting sore.

Patrick
 
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I agree with the one about the lock-outs on the 4wd. I've always prefered self-locking hubs. Had a cousin just buy a new Ford F350 and I made a comment about the lock-outs on the front. His reply "The dealer said most of the new 350s come with them. Guys want a real truck with lock-outs.", but the ironic part that he also told him. The truck was smart enough to disengage the hubs in 2wd and also engage the hubs in 4wd regardless of where the manual switch was on the hub. So what does it do?
 
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And the real farmers use horses, not them thar iron contraptions! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
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If you're talking about just regular driving then I agree with you Patrick. I like an automatic in my cars.

However if you are talking about towing then you're out in left field. First of all an automatic doesn't get near the mileage that a manual shift does. Secondly it's much safer to tow with a manual than an automatic transmission. Third the manual transmission will have a much greater lifespan than the manual transmission. Fourth you can tow much better in hills with an automatic than with a standard. Fifth you can put more horsepower and torque behind a STOCK manual than you can an automatic transmission.

Also with automatic hubs they have left me stranded more than once. There is ALOT that goes wrong with them if you are using them for off road alot. A guy is much better and safer going with the manual hubs over the automatics if you need to depend on them. Now if you are only going to use it occassionally for a little snow, ice, or mud then yes you are right the automatic locking hubs are nice.
 
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Try finding a regular cab and step side PU. They are harder to find than a standard transmission. The dealers here tried to tell me that I did not want one. I don't even let my wife tell me what I want or don't want - maybe I should say I don't even like my wife to try to tell me what I want.
 
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Interesting, tractors are going to "automatics" (HST) just like trucks are. I looked for a gear drive JD 4200, only found one within 150 miles of where I live.
 
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Sorry but there is no such thing as the truck engaging and disengaging the hubs regardless of where the switch is. You have to switch it to either 4wd or 2wd for them to work and they are locked in that position regardless of what you do with the truck until you flip the switch to disengage position. When you flip the switch to 4wd the vacuum control engages the hubs and the transfer case. When you put the truck in 2wd the vacuum control disengages the hubs and the transfer case. The reason that they put the manual locking hubs in was because too many times the automatic lockout, electronic shift on the fly, would fail. Then guys were left stranded. The hubs are "idiot proof" though. You can't engage 4x4 low unless the truck is stopped and either in neutral or park and you have to have the truck in neutral or park to disengage them as well.
 
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cowboydoc

Richard, Surely you know I stired the pot to get a reaction. Still in many instances I believe in what I said. There are always exceptions. Towing in left field???? Ever launch and recover a large boat on a steep ramp? Don't you just love the smell of clutch disk in the morning? How do yo apply enough power to move the load without either spinning the wheels or smoking the clutch? Lots of equipment with manual tranny is used with success off road. In many instances the ability to add power gradually without smelling your clutch makes the automagic tranny a plus, perhaps not in off road racing but off road touring.

Properly set up an automatic tranny truck makes a swell tow machine. It isn't because RV haulers are idiots that many prefer automatic tranny. A really big 5th wheel or travel trailer being manuevered in tight quarters on the flat much less a hill makes automagic really good. Backing a really heavy trailer up a hill, starting on the hill is a great way to separate the drivers from the folks who just herd a vehicle and a great way to test for clutch chatter. Now if your idea of towing is a miniature of a long haul class 8 (18 wheeler), perhaps then for you, automatic is not a good choice. Automatic is often a good choice for towing and sometimes clearly the best choice. Again, there are exceptions.

Did you catch the post about the manual lock out hubs that worked automatically? Definitely a sop to egos. I had a high school friend who had a really neat 56 chevy 2 door convertible hard top in candy apple red. It was a 6 cyl with auto tranny. He had a fake gear shift on the tranny hump with which he simulated shifting as the tranny changed gears while he let off on the throttle to assist in the illusion. No he wasn't weird but later was in recon/Marines in Nam.

My '43 mil Jeep came originally without lockout hubs, front axle always turning while underway but prev owner installed lockouts to modernize it and reduce unneccessary wear when he towed it. My Ram 3500 has had a bit of personality change (much more torque and HP than stock) I did upgrade the torque converter and increase tranny pan capacity with a cast aluminum finned pan and added a tranny fluid cooler with thermostatic fan in order to feel more comfortable about climbing mountains at (how do I say this) brisk speeds with a considerable load. I do have a tranny temp gauge which I monitor but in nearly 70,000 fairly abusive miles (towing, off road use, and towing off road) my automatic tranny maint has been to change the fluid.


Patrick
 
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Gomez, Real farmers wouldn't be caught dead plowing with a horse, they do it by hand with a bent stick if not their bare hands, none of that sharpened steel for them.

Patrick
 

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