nosy neighbor eliminator --

[MrJimi]

Going by what I have read here more than once you should put a sign up saying "fill dirt needed" . Flag off the area where you want it. They say it will come.

I have exactly that and no takers yet, I live near the entrance to a nice neighborhood with pools going in all the time and I am still waiting for dirt

 

[dmccarty]

I just paid $65 per hour for a 12 wheel dump truck that could haul 15 tons. The 15 tons was 5 yards of ABC road base.

As long as the truck does not get stuck or make a mess you can load the truck up. The 15 tons was the legal road limit. Not sure of the truck's design load.

One truck load would be 2.5 times what you can move with the loader. He can dump the piles in a line right next to each other and then you can use the loader to run down the line smoothing out the top to plant shrubs or build a fence.

If the quarry was not busy he could run me a load every 30 minutes. I would hope you would be able load and dump that truck at least every 10 minutes which would give you 30 yards per hour. Or $2.17 per yard if the truck cost $65 per hour. Course if you can do a load very 5 minutes you double the amount of dirt moved per hour.

That would be 240 yards per day, 1200 yards per week.

And $2600 for the truck for a week. I would think for a weeks worth of work they would cut the hourly rate.

Its gonna take a long time to move that dirt. There is a reason I see those big off road dump trucks at work sites.

Later,
Dan

 

[schmism]

to put it in persepctive, a normal size pan scraper is 14 cu yd.

nearly 7 times your 2 yd bucket....

 

[hazmat]

Try this...
...
If it takes you one minute to load the bucket and scoot backwards 600 feet to the dumpsite, it will probably take you the same to dump it and scoot back to the loading site. So, to be conservative, plan on 2.5 minutes per round trip. That's 24 trips per hour @ 2.5 yards per trip, because you can get more than 2 yards in a 2 yard bucket when it is heaped. That's only 60 yards per hour on a best case scenario.

In 8 hours you should be able to move 480 yards of material.
In 40 hours you should be able to move 2400 yards of material.

How much material are you planning on moving and is it already in a lose pile?

Moss - I think you're being optomistic. - (60 yards/hour*600ft) = 36,000 yard-feet per hour

Last fall (before I bought my dump trailer). I carried 8 cords of wood (approx 38 yards of material) from my driveway to the back 40 (~400 ft each way). It took me 12 hours. Granted I had to manually load my 1/3 yard bucket, but I spend as much time running back & forth as loading, so figure 2X as fast without the hand stacking would equate to 76 yards/12hours = 6.3 yards / hour * 400 feet = 2,500 yard-feet per hour at 1/3 yard loader *6 (scale up for 2 yard loader) = 15,000 yard-feet per hour with a 2 yard loader...

Good luck & I think Robert has the right idea with the dump trucks.

It's called a loader, not a mover for a reason ...

PS - I'm jealous of the fun you're going to have trying. I have a fond memory of renting a full size hoe to demolish my pool last fall. More pix here - pool demo

 

[Unregistered2013]

hey all --

-- here is the dirt i want to move -- basically, taking the sides down so the pond is flush with the grade --

-- i called united rentals, and the biggest dump truck they have is a 3-yard F450 --

-- you've all go me skeered now -- !!

 

[MossRoad]

Moss - I think you're being optomistic. - (60 yards/hour*600ft) = 36,000 yard-feet per hour

Last fall (before I bought my dump trailer). I carried 8 cords of wood (approx 38 yards of material) from my driveway to the back 40 (~400 ft each way). It took me 12 hours. Granted I had to manually load my 1/3 yard bucket, but I spend as much time running back & forth as loading, so figure 2X as fast without the hand stacking would equate to 76 yards/12hours = 6.3 yards / hour * 400 feet = 2,500 yard-feet per hour at 1/3 yard loader *6 (scale up for 2 yard loader) = 15,000 yard-feet per hour with a 2 yard loader...

With lose fill, my little PT425 can load its 1/3 yard bucket heaping over and travel 200 yards in 60 seconds. I can dump it and return in the same amount of time. That's at 8MPH. I'm hoping that monster in the pictures can equal the loading and speed performance of our little green beast, but I gave it 25% more time in my calculations, just to be kind!

 

[Unregistered2013]

Try this...

Push into the pile low and crowd the bucket as you lift and curl back to fill it in one, fast motion. Then, as you are backing out of the pile, lower the bucket to the ground by slapping the joystick into float and quickly pop it back up a couple inches. With the bucket in this position, low to the ground, drive backwards to the dump site as fast as possible. The bucket will act as a wheelie bar/skid and you can go a heck of a lot faster with a full bucket in reverse than you can forward. If you do it driving forward and the thing starts bouncing, the bucket can dig in and suddenly stop you. By going in reverse, the bucket will drag over anything and you will hardly notice it.

If it takes you one minute to load the bucket and scoot backwards 600 feet to the dumpsite, it will probably take you the same to dump it and scoot back to the loading site. So, to be conservative, plan on 2.5 minutes per round trip. That's 24 trips per hour @ 2.5 yards per trip, because you can get more than 2 yards in a 2 yard bucket when it is heaped. That's only 60 yards per hour on a best case scenario.

In 8 hours you should be able to move 480 yards of material.
In 40 hours you should be able to move 2400 yards of material.

How much material are you planning on moving and is it already in a lose pile?

this is very good -- thank you for it --

-- my main apprehension about gunning it in reverse is that the machine has a hinge-pin in the center, and i am somewhat scared of it jack-knifing --

 

[EddieWalker]

I was thinking about those calculations that I got wrong earlier and the correct ones for the amount of dirt you removed from you pond. The numbers are pretty big for what you want to do, but not accurate.

How lond do you want this barrier to be? and how tall does it need to be?

There's no reasin that the bucket width isn't enough to creat the barrier. The length and height are the determining factors as to how much material you need to move and if it's possible.

Simple math says that you can do 8 feet wide by almost 7 feet long and one foot high per load. At 12 loads per hour, you can have it six feet toll and 14 feet long, or in ten hours, almost 140 feet long.

What is access like? Do you have room to dump the dirt and build it up without having to drive over it? If you have to dump you load and then back up along the top of what you've build up, you will be allot slower. It will compact better, but that isn't much of a concern for what you're doing.

Building the barrier is well within the abilities of the loader, but moving all the fill from your pond isn't possible with how much time you have.

Eddie

 

[MossRoad]

this is very good -- thank you for it --

-- my main apprehension about gunning it in reverse is that the machine has a hinge-pin in the center, and i am somewhat scared of it jack-knifing --

You will not jack-knife a hydraulically articulated machine. My PT425 is the same thing as the loader you are renting, only a pintsized version. Go over to the Power Trac forum on TBN. There's over a hundred people with articulated machines there, and not once in 6 years can I recall a report of one of them jack knifing. Articulated machines are different than conventional steering. The tires are not steerable and are not connected to the steering wheel in any way. Hydraulic rams steer the unit by pushing or pulling on the two halves of the machine.

What you do need to be aware of on an articulated machine is that the center of gravity changes as you steer it. This is because the unit is longer when straight and shorter when turning. Therefore, you need to be cautious about lifting a load high with the FEL when turning on a slope. Keep the load as low as possible and try to dump with the unit as straight as possible.

 

[forgeblast]

why not use the barrier as a base, get as much there as you can, and then plant on top of it.....a fast growing tree or shrub fence would then be perfect.
that would block all the view, if its an evergreen you dont have to worry about leaf fall. and if you mulch it you wont have to worry about mowing it.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (trees)
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT(topsoil/mulch)
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm(base)
good luck