You can still buy grp 4 synthics that are NOT CJ rated. Sometimes the user needs high TBN sometime not. Depends on what the end result is needed.
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You can still buy grp 4 synthics that are NOT CJ rated. Sometimes the user needs high TBN sometime not. Depends on what the end result is needed.
daman1
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Correct,your boutique mail order oil's like Amsoil,RP,Schaeffer's etc yes still offer CI4 but for the majority of folks and over the counter local stores all that's available any more is current API
I worked in a truck dealership, and the lube-man use to put the pails of oil that were used when customers requested special brand of oil. I us to cut the tops off, and with an old gutter drain them into a gas jug. It was a mixture of every brand of oil you can think off. I used that 15/40 oil in my gas pick-up, I got oil filters cheap and the oil for free so I would change it very often, I put 300,000 Kilometers on that truck and it's engine is near perfect inside.
I would much rather see the oil changed more often, and use a cheaper oil than the oil sampling and getting every last mile from the oil.
I was involved with a customer that ran chip trucks that did 2 eleven hour trips a day pulling 144,000 LBS over two mountains, he had us, after the first oil change, we installed spinners and an oil sample tap.
The oils were changed as per the recommendations and the oil filters changed in between that, The early N14's had a lot of injector problems. I would be in most every engine at least once a week, and they were discusting the jellied slime in them settled everywhere it could. We changed the main, and rod bearings at 200,000 Kilometers, and I kept the bottom mains and top rod shells, we had other customers that had the same trucks doing the same run. I kept there bearings, all of them tapped in a line and marked with the truck number. When the units got to 600,000 Kilometers we did the second bearing roll-in, and they were having a meeting about the cost benift analise's of the oil. It was not cheaper because the oil was more,and the analysis cost money. I brought out the bearings and set them on the table about 8 sets, and asked the owner to pick out his. Every one he got wrong, his bearing showed more wear, and had a lot more impregnated mater in them that the others. I had a box of about twenty to chose from.
After that it was regular oil and we added a gallon of ATF to the oil the night before the oil was changed and the truck would drive about 50 kilometers to the shop. That cleaned the crud out.
I would rather you put in walmart oil and fram filters, and change it often.
I am retired and buy Rotella dyno and AC Delco filters.
I use synthetics in my gas units but change it before scheduled time.
I am a big fan of synthetic grease and often.
Just a thought!
I would much rather see the oil changed more often, and use a cheaper oil than the oil sampling and getting every last mile from the oil.
I was involved with a customer that ran chip trucks that did 2 eleven hour trips a day pulling 144,000 LBS over two mountains, he had us, after the first oil change, we installed spinners and an oil sample tap.
The oils were changed as per the recommendations and the oil filters changed in between that, The early N14's had a lot of injector problems. I would be in most every engine at least once a week, and they were discusting the jellied slime in them settled everywhere it could. We changed the main, and rod bearings at 200,000 Kilometers, and I kept the bottom mains and top rod shells, we had other customers that had the same trucks doing the same run. I kept there bearings, all of them tapped in a line and marked with the truck number. When the units got to 600,000 Kilometers we did the second bearing roll-in, and they were having a meeting about the cost benift analise's of the oil. It was not cheaper because the oil was more,and the analysis cost money. I brought out the bearings and set them on the table about 8 sets, and asked the owner to pick out his. Every one he got wrong, his bearing showed more wear, and had a lot more impregnated mater in them that the others. I had a box of about twenty to chose from.
After that it was regular oil and we added a gallon of ATF to the oil the night before the oil was changed and the truck would drive about 50 kilometers to the shop. That cleaned the crud out.
I would rather you put in walmart oil and fram filters, and change it often.
I am retired and buy Rotella dyno and AC Delco filters.
I use synthetics in my gas units but change it before scheduled time.
I am a big fan of synthetic grease and often.
Just a thought!
Yup, problem is Chinamart etc do not carry these oils since they are based on price.
For me, I did not spend $20,000 on a tractor to use a group 3 oil, I want better.
I like Amsoil and Schaeffer's 131 is the bomb!
daman1
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Hydroprocessing is common way of finishing lubes and coming up with a more pure product. GRP II and III oils are all hydroprocessed the only difference is the resulting products viscosity index and this could be a result of the original lube basestock or the severity of the process.Yup, problem is Chinamart etc do not carry these oils since they are based on price.
For me, I did not spend $20,000 on a tractor to use a group 3 oil, I want better.
I like Amsoil and Schaeffer's 131 is the bomb!
Any grpIII oil is a fine product(and what most oil blenders use today to build there syn. line) both Ams and Schaeffer's use that type base, that's too bad because any quality name brand oil would get that tractor to out live you. Oh and we run 1/4 million dollar units on plan old conventional 15w40 oil.
Hydroprocessing is common way of finishing lubes and coming up with a more pure product. GRP II and III oils are all hydroprocessed the only difference is the resulting products viscosity index and this could be a result of the original lube basestock or the severity of the process.
Any grpIII oil is a fine product(and what most oil blenders use today to build there syn. line) both Ams and Schaeffer's use that type base, that's too bad because any quality name brand oil would get that tractor to out live you. Oh and we run 1/4 million dollar units on plan old conventional 15w40 oil.
So far the other group III oils are NOT fine per my UOA..Ams uses them for they are their cheaher oils too...I would not use a 15w40 in my area since the UOA are poor. I use my unit more in the winter and a 15w-40 results are too high for my likings...A REAL group 4 is better; sorry, the UOA show it.
If you use the "lesser" oils have at it. In my engine etc I will not use them.
Not going to argue with you since I have seen many oil threads since I have been here long before you (not this logon). Not worth the time..
daman1
Gold Member
Hard to believe why? in short..there's no such thing as an oil that only uses group 4 base stock why? all oils that contain group 4 contain some group 3 or group 5 it's to support additive suspension,pure PAO(Poly Alpha Olefins)
grp4 or ester base oil's need to do this use a carrier oil.
base is really irrelevant to a point,,its the additive package of the oil blend that counts.
Okay, you win since again, been here prior. If you think a Chinamart oil is the same as Redline, Amsoil etcc, you are crazy. Again these are based on price, NOT quality.
daman1
Gold Member
No i never said that..
what i'm getting at is a grpIII lubricant WILL perform perfectly fine and get your unit to many thousand hrs no problem.
i do like seeing members taking pride and care for there equipment,just what most don't realize is it can be done affordable too.
No i never said that..
what i'm getting at is a grpIII lubricant WILL perform perfectly fine and get your unit to many thousand hrs no problem.
i do like seeing members taking pride and care for there equipment,just what most don't realize is it can be done affordable too.
Um, no, define "perfectly and fine". My UOA's on my older BX says no & to prove it use these oils in your units and post.
Again, last post on it since I have seen this WAY to many times.
