NX4510 HSTC Pricing

[holeycow]

Oh, and why would your comments be more relevant than mine anyway? I have learned enough from this thread to make a pretty valid judgment I think. Especially since I have been running gear and supervising the running of gear in commercial applications for over 30 years.

 

[TSO]

So am I. And many here saying to buy hst because it's easier and faster when the "faster" part is, in most cases moot and the easier part is mostly an operator skills thing is also counterproductive to many who have no idea.

I'm sorry, but you're not correct when you say it's a moot point. It all depends on the activities being done. For precision work, with equal machines, HST IS faster and easier. It has nothing to do with skills. With ground engagement work (and traditional farming activities), the tractors will most likely be equally fast, however the gear tractor will put more power to the ground and because the precision and ease of HST wouldn't be necessary, the cheaper gear trans option would likely be more appropriate.

 

[TSO]

Oh, and why would your comments be more relevant than mine anyway? I have learned enough from this thread to make a pretty valid judgment I think. Especially since I have been running gear and supervising the running of gear in commercial applications for over 30 years.

Because I have experience with both ... You don't. You seemingly have more experience with farming applications as I only "farm" a couple acres, and only maintain a small amount of livestock ( 4 hogs a year, a couple hundred broiler chickens...) ...so I would defer relevancy to you when it comes to larger scale farming and larger machines.

You came to this HST CUT thread saying people shouldn't buy HST CUT'S because a bigger shuttle is better for the money ... But that's not helpful because most people that buy CUT'S, buy them for the size and convenience. And since you don't own, or haven't had experience with an HST CUT, your comments are less relevant. It's not an insult. It's just reality. I'm not offended that your comments on large farming applications would be more relevant than mine ...

 

[gladehound]

CVT blows away all other transmissions! Sorry, I just had too

 

[GManBart]

CVT blows away all other transmissions! Sorry, I just had too

Yeah...and "real" power shuttles don't have clutch pedals.... :laughing:

 

[holeycow]

Agreed

 

[holeycow]

And no, I said " why would you buy an nx over an rx model ". The reason turns out to be hst.

For many that is no reason and for many it is THE reason. Fine by me.

 

[GManBart]

And no, I said " why would you buy an nx over an rx model ". The reason turns out to be hst.

For many that is no reason and for many it is THE reason. Fine by me.

For some folks HST might be the reason to get the NX over the RX, but for others, the additional size of the RX might be a negative. Comparing cab models the RX is 11" taller, and may not fit through a door, or something similar. It's also, 1,200lbs heavier before looking at FEL specs.

 

[DK35vince]

I'm sorry, but you're not correct when you say it's a moot point. It all depends on the activities being done. For precision work, with equal machines, HST IS faster and easier. It has nothing to do with skills.

Operator still has a lot to do with it.
Example. My dad has a tractor with HST (Kubota L 4600), a friend co worker of mine has Kioti DK 35se HST.
They have been using tractors for years and do OK with loader work.
I have a shuttle DK 35, but I have thousands of hours experience doing loader work and fine grading with skid steers.(run them nearly every day a my job)
If my dad or my co worker with there HST had a pile of gravel to be spread and leveled nice and smooth near a building, I have no doubt that I could take that same pile and have it smoothed and leveled and be in eating a sandwich before they could be finished even though they have HST.

 

[GManBart]

Operator still has a lot to do with it.
Example. My dad has a tractor with HST (Kubota L 4600), a friend co worker of mine has Kioti DK 35se HST.
They have been using tractors for years and do OK with loader work.
I have a shuttle DK 35, but I have thousands of hours experience doing loader work and fine grading with skid steers.(run them nearly every day a my job)
If my dad or my co worker with there HST had a pile of gravel to be spread and leveled nice and smooth near a building, I have no doubt that I could take that same pile and have it smoothed and leveled and be in eating a sandwich be for they could be finished even though they have HST.

This is a completely irrelevant argument. You're saying that a highly experienced person with a gear machine can do a job faster than a far less experienced person with an HST....wow, that's a shocker. That proves nothing other than that experience matters.

The real test is whether YOU would be faster with an HST or gear machine for the exact same task.

Going off your prior posts, I'm guessing you're going to say there's no difference, or that you'll be faster with the gear machine, but it's a safe bet you've never done an actual comparison test back and forth (same day, time, location, etc) with otherwise identical machines, doing the identical task.

Speaking of skid steers...they don't have gears for a reason; it would make them less productive. It's a heck of a lot quicker, and easier to simply push/pull without waiting on anything, or doing anything else like flip levers, change gears, etc.

 

[TJP89]

Why would the shuttle lever stick like the range shifter.
The shuttle levers flip very quick and easy, you can use you finger tips to flip the levers.
I have run a DK 35 Hst with the twin peddles multiple times.
I can flip my shuttle lever for forward'/reversing on my shuttle DK 35 just as fast as I could move my foot from one peddle to the next to the forward/reverse peddles on the HST model.
I have 8 forward and 8 reverse speeds.
Whatever gear I am using in forward, I will be it that same gear and speed in reverse.

You not having an HST, you do not know how the range shift lever can stick and require some extra exertion to get it to move. May or may not apply to gear tractors. I was saying that the HST reverse/forward setup may stick like the range shift, not a shuttle shift shuttle lever. My comment was not related to gear tractors at all. I know that the shuttle lever flips real easy, otherwise it would be really irritating.

 

[DK35vince]

This is a completely irrelevant argument. You're saying that a highly experienced person with a gear machine can do a job faster than a far less experienced person with an HST....wow, that's a shocker. That proves nothing other than that experience matters.

Evidently you didn't bother to read what I quoted from TSO where he claimed "HST is faster. It has nothing to do with skill."

 

[TJP89]

I'm sorry, but you're not correct when you say it's a moot point. It all depends on the activities being done. For precision work, with equal machines, HST IS faster and easier. It has nothing to do with skills. With ground engagement work (and traditional farming activities), the tractors will most likely be equally fast, however the gear tractor will put more power to the ground and because the precision and ease of HST wouldn't be necessary, the cheaper gear trans option would likely be more appropriate.

Not true, some newbie with the slickest eHST out there is not going to out perform an experienced operator on a shuttle.

 

[RockyNY]

Evidently you didn't bother to read what I quoted from TSO where he claimed "HST is faster. It has nothing to do with skill."

This is actually a mostly true statement, because if you had two tractors that were identical except for transmission type, and if you removed the only other variable (operator skill) by assigning each tractor an operator with no machine experience whatsoever, in a test of something like moving a pile of dirt with the FEL, I could almost guarantee you that the operator running the HST machine would complete the job quicker even though neither operator had any experience.

 

[TJP89]

This is actually a mostly true statement, because if you had two tractors that were identical except for transmission type, and if you removed the only other variable (operator skill) by assigning each tractor an operator with no machine experience whatsoever, in a test of something like moving a pile of dirt with the FEL, I could almost guarantee you that the operator running the HST machine would complete the job quicker even though neither operator had any experience.

The way he put it, it sounds like he's saying a total newbie could outperform an experienced operator. I do think all things being equal the HST in the right task would always get it done quicker than the shuttle shift.

 

[TJP89]

What was the original topic here anyway?

I have a feeling we've wandered a bit.

 

[TSO]

Operator still has a lot to do with it.
Example. My dad has a tractor with HST (Kubota L 4600), a friend co worker of mine has Kioti DK 35se HST.
They have been using tractors for years and do OK with loader work.
I have a shuttle DK 35, but I have thousands of hours experience doing loader work and fine grading with skid steers.(run them nearly every day a my job)
If my dad or my co worker with there HST had a pile of gravel to be spread and leveled nice and smooth near a building, I have no doubt that I could take that same pile and have it smoothed and leveled and be in eating a sandwich be for they could be finished even though they have HST.

He had said that folks claims that HST was "easier" was a "skills thing" ...

My response was "skills have nothing to do with it" ... That means if you have equal experience/skills with HST as you do with PS, when doing precision work, HST will still beat PS. All things equal, skills won't change a thing... HST beats gear for precision work.

I'm sure you could out pace novice users with your level of experience... But with you in a PS and me in HST, going toe to toe with equal machines, I would out pace you doing precision work.

It would be a fun competition tho ...

 

[MinnesotaEric]

What was the original topic here anyway?

Which kind of tractor transmission is better at nothing to do and all day to do it.

 

[countrybumpkin]

For some folks HST might be the reason to get the NX over the RX, but for others, the additional size of the RX might be a negative. Comparing cab models the RX is 11" taller, and may not fit through a door, or something similar. It's also, 1,200lbs heavier before looking at FEL specs.

This is the exact reason I didn't go with the RX and bought a NX, I know it's not a lot bigger but the NX was already slightly bigger than my kubota and only thing I really wanted to change was a cab and add a few ponies. Really hated that it wasn't offered in a power shuttle, but that's fine.

 

[DK35vince]

Video of some of the different transmissions available on Massey's and how the work
Syncro shuttle, power shuttle, and HST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyKt6oXlFHU