NX4510 HSTC Pricing

[holeycow]

Oh, and why would your comments be more relevant than mine anyway? I have learned enough from this thread to make a pretty valid judgment I think. Especially since I have been running gear and supervising the running of gear in commercial applications for over 30 years.

 

[TSO]

So am I. And many here saying to buy hst because it's easier and faster when the "faster" part is, in most cases moot and the easier part is mostly an operator skills thing is also counterproductive to many who have no idea.

I'm sorry, but you're not correct when you say it's a moot point. It all depends on the activities being done. For precision work, with equal machines, HST IS faster and easier. It has nothing to do with skills. With ground engagement work (and traditional farming activities), the tractors will most likely be equally fast, however the gear tractor will put more power to the ground and because the precision and ease of HST wouldn't be necessary, the cheaper gear trans option would likely be more appropriate.

 

[TSO]

Oh, and why would your comments be more relevant than mine anyway? I have learned enough from this thread to make a pretty valid judgment I think. Especially since I have been running gear and supervising the running of gear in commercial applications for over 30 years.

Because I have experience with both ... You don't. You seemingly have more experience with farming applications as I only "farm" a couple acres, and only maintain a small amount of livestock ( 4 hogs a year, a couple hundred broiler chickens...) ...so I would defer relevancy to you when it comes to larger scale farming and larger machines.

You came to this HST CUT thread saying people shouldn't buy HST CUT'S because a bigger shuttle is better for the money ... But that's not helpful because most people that buy CUT'S, buy them for the size and convenience. And since you don't own, or haven't had experience with an HST CUT, your comments are less relevant. It's not an insult. It's just reality. I'm not offended that your comments on large farming applications would be more relevant than mine ...

 

[gladehound]

CVT blows away all other transmissions! Sorry, I just had too

 

[GManBart]

CVT blows away all other transmissions! Sorry, I just had too

Yeah...and "real" power shuttles don't have clutch pedals.... :laughing:

 

[holeycow]

Agreed

 

[holeycow]

And no, I said " why would you buy an nx over an rx model ". The reason turns out to be hst.

For many that is no reason and for many it is THE reason. Fine by me.

 

[GManBart]

And no, I said " why would you buy an nx over an rx model ". The reason turns out to be hst.

For many that is no reason and for many it is THE reason. Fine by me.

For some folks HST might be the reason to get the NX over the RX, but for others, the additional size of the RX might be a negative. Comparing cab models the RX is 11" taller, and may not fit through a door, or something similar. It's also, 1,200lbs heavier before looking at FEL specs.

 

[DK35vince]

I'm sorry, but you're not correct when you say it's a moot point. It all depends on the activities being done. For precision work, with equal machines, HST IS faster and easier. It has nothing to do with skills.

Operator still has a lot to do with it.
Example. My dad has a tractor with HST (Kubota L 4600), a friend co worker of mine has Kioti DK 35se HST.
They have been using tractors for years and do OK with loader work.
I have a shuttle DK 35, but I have thousands of hours experience doing loader work and fine grading with skid steers.(run them nearly every day a my job)
If my dad or my co worker with there HST had a pile of gravel to be spread and leveled nice and smooth near a building, I have no doubt that I could take that same pile and have it smoothed and leveled and be in eating a sandwich before they could be finished even though they have HST.

 

[GManBart]

Operator still has a lot to do with it.
Example. My dad has a tractor with HST (Kubota L 4600), a friend co worker of mine has Kioti DK 35se HST.
They have been using tractors for years and do OK with loader work.
I have a shuttle DK 35, but I have thousands of hours experience doing loader work and fine grading with skid steers.(run them nearly every day a my job)
If my dad or my co worker with there HST had a pile of gravel to be spread and leveled nice and smooth near a building, I have no doubt that I could take that same pile and have it smoothed and leveled and be in eating a sandwich be for they could be finished even though they have HST.

This is a completely irrelevant argument. You're saying that a highly experienced person with a gear machine can do a job faster than a far less experienced person with an HST....wow, that's a shocker. That proves nothing other than that experience matters.

The real test is whether YOU would be faster with an HST or gear machine for the exact same task.

Going off your prior posts, I'm guessing you're going to say there's no difference, or that you'll be faster with the gear machine, but it's a safe bet you've never done an actual comparison test back and forth (same day, time, location, etc) with otherwise identical machines, doing the identical task.

Speaking of skid steers...they don't have gears for a reason; it would make them less productive. It's a heck of a lot quicker, and easier to simply push/pull without waiting on anything, or doing anything else like flip levers, change gears, etc.