Odd Fendt “feature”?

[CalG]

Loaders are somewhat less "common" in Europe than in N.A.
I can see not having them on a pedestal.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Loaders are somewhat less "common" in Europe than in N.A.
I can see not having them on a pedestal.

Me to until I need one which is about everyday.

 

[Hay Dude]

Here is the blue electronic joystick built into the armrest of my 13 year old AGCO Challenger. You can barely see the small black buttons that operate the 3rd & 4th functions on the loader on the sides of the blue joystick.

You can turn off the loader with the rear small blue button. This allows you to switch the joystick over to operating 2 of the remotes in the back of the tractor. The other 2 black levers operate the additional 3rd & 4th remotes in the back of the tractor.

 

[hayden]

Interesting, what size Fendt do you have?

None at the moment, but I have been considering a 200 or 300 series. I went to see a 312 the other day and it's too big for what I need, so it would be a 200, for me, probably a 211. But this hydraulic control issue is a bit of a fly in the ointment.

I can see how in a full-on ag application it would be unusual for a tractor to both have a loader and be making heavy use of rear remotes. In fact from the little bit I've seen, tractors tend to be more dedicated to particular tasks. So you may have a tractor doing loader duty. Other things too, but it's mostly doing loader work. In that case, who cares if rear remotes are lost to the loader. And I have seen tractors dedicated to row cropping with no loader at all.

But for me it's more of a swiss army knife tractor. My loader is ALWAYs installed. It never comes off. I switch between a bucket, a snow blower, and pallet forks, but the loader is always there. And I have commonly used all three of my remotes. The most common raking my road where I have a hydraulic top link, a hydraulic side link to to get a tilt angle on the rake, and an angle cylinder on the rake itself to pull material to the left or right. I also would like to have independent control on my flex wing mower for height, and raise/lower on each wing so I can lift over obstructions. And when mowing I put a big root rake on the loader so I can push downed trees and branches out of the way when mowing. So I regularly use the loader and all three rear remotes, and don't want to move backwards from that.

 

[CalG]

Me to until I need one which is about everyday.

Your particular habits and needs do not really drive much of Fendt engineering.

It's not all about you.... ;-)

You would be amazed at what work can be done from the BACK end of a good tractor. Loader work should really go to loaders ;-0

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Your particular habits and needs do not really drive much of Fendt engineering.

It's not all about you.... ;-)

You would be amazed at what work can be done from the BACK end of a good tractor. Loader work should really go to loaders ;-0

I get it and you are right it's not all about me but there are a lot of people like me that use their loader's everyday to make life easier and some task's doable, as a boy we row crop farmed and did everything with the 3 point hitch but my dad finally saw the light and we got a tractor with a loader, haven't bought one since without one.I have a skid steer job this morning but late this afternoon I have a lady coming for some round rolls of oat hay, she has a fairly tall deckover trailer and the loader will be the tool that makes it possible to get her loaded and get me paid. Tractor loader combo sales seems to prove that it's not all about you either Imagine if everyone had to go out and buy a dedicated loader to do the work that their tractor under the barn could do if only equipped with a loader.

 

[Hay Dude]

I think some of you may be thinking of this incorrectly, or looking for a problem where a problem doesn’t exist.

From the cab of a Fendt/Massey/Challenger/AGCO equipped with a a factory joystick and loader and 4 remotes you can simply push a small button to “toggle” back and forth between the loader and the 2 remotes the loader it tied into. Also, the factory loader joystick is a double splitter (if you opt for it) joystick that enable to use 2 or 3 loader functions at once.

Then you are also given 2 straight up remotes with nothing tied to them you can use while using your loader.

So where’s the problem?

 

[Hay Dude]

None at the moment, but I have been considering a 200 or 300 series. I went to see a 312 the other day and it's too big for what I need, so it would be a 200, for me, probably a 211. But this hydraulic control issue is a bit of a fly in the ointment.

I can see how in a full-on ag application it would be unusual for a tractor to both have a loader and be making heavy use of rear remotes. In fact from the little bit I've seen, tractors tend to be more dedicated to particular tasks. So you may have a tractor doing loader duty. Other things too, but it's mostly doing loader work. In that case, who cares if rear remotes are lost to the loader. And I have seen tractors dedicated to row cropping with no loader at all.

But for me it's more of a swiss army knife tractor. My loader is ALWAYs installed. It never comes off. I switch between a bucket, a snow blower, and pallet forks, but the loader is always there. And I have commonly used all three of my remotes. The most common raking my road where I have a hydraulic top link, a hydraulic side link to to get a tilt angle on the rake, and an angle cylinder on the rake itself to pull material to the left or right. I also would like to have independent control on my flex wing mower for height, and raise/lower on each wing so I can lift over obstructions. And when mowing I put a big root rake on the loader so I can push downed trees and branches out of the way when mowing. So I regularly use the loader and all three rear remotes, and don't want to move backwards from that.

Dude, relax. You can still do that. On your flex wing mower complaint: 2 of the remotes are available independently for the “wings”. For raising/lowering mower deck, you simply push a button in the cab to use the joystick to raise the more up/down.

 

[ConawayFarms]

Man, that’s a weird setup! I’ve mostly run John Deere and Case, and they always had dedicated loader valves, so you’d never lose rear remotes. Fendt’s approach sounds like a real head-scratcher, kinda limits your flexibility, especially if you’re juggling multiple implements. That diverter valve thing for the 3rd function is a bummer too; not being able to run all loader functions at once feels like a step back.

 

[Hay Dude]

Man, that’s a weird setup! I’ve mostly run John Deere and Case, and they always had dedicated loader valves, so you’d never lose rear remotes. Fendt’s approach sounds like a real head-scratcher, kinda limits your flexibility, especially if you’re juggling multiple implements. That diverter valve thing for the 3rd function is a bummer too; not being able to run all loader functions at once feels like a step back.

You can run all loader functions without a diverter valve! SHM.
The reason for the diverter valve is to switch from the loader valves to the REAR remotes, not the loader functions. It makes the loader joystick into a set of rear remotes.
I run my loader with 3rd function grapple or hydraulic quick attach without switching anything.
Its not a “real head scratcher” its actually very logical.

Also, since you have (4) sets of remotes and 2 of them are not part of the armrest joystick, you have 2 sets of traditional remotes available at all times.