Off Road diesel over store pump diesel

[Diamondpilot]

Are you guys saying red farm diesel is the same as red heating oil? Or red dye heating oil can be used in the newer diesels. I mainly just want to know if heating oil can be used in my 2013 ls tractor with Mits. 4 cyl tier 3. I believe the heating oil we get is called #2 oil. The manual says to use ultra low sulfur diesel

You need to find out from the supplier what the difference is between the Home Heating oil being sold in your area is and diesel. In my area they are one in the same primarily because no one really heats with it. 50% here are electric. 40% are propane. And the other 10% are HHO or wood boilers.

As for cost savings it's really not that great for most of us. My tractor burns .7 gph. So 7 gallons per 10 hours for its 31HP. Now I use it about 75 hrs per year or about 55 gallons. So saving $.50 is putting a little over $25 back in my pocket. Not really worth chasing all over town using fuel in my truck to fetch when I'm already going to a normal gas station twice a week.

Chris

 

[Gary Fowler]

Back in 2008 my tractor was a couple years old with low hours and when I bought it new the dealer said I could use the same diesel used in cars, so I did. One day I was working the tractor grading and began to lose power and it got really bad after a few minutes. I loaded it up on the trailer and headed to the dealer, their mechanic came out listened to it went inside and came back out with a quart of if I remember right transmission fluid, dumped it in the fuel tank and within a couple minutes the power was back. He ask if I was running car and not off road fuel, I said yes and was told by you guys it was fine. He said what can happen is the injectors do not get enough lubrication, so run off road or pour an additive in a couple times a year.

Ever watch Penn and Teller bullsh** show. That guys quote was pure BS. There is no difference in off road and on road fuel other than the dye. I don't know what was wrong with your tractor but it was not the road taxed fuel. At certain times of the year with cold weather approaching there could be some held over number 2 fuel in the pumps and farm diesel might be #1 already. That should not make your tractor loose power unless it was very cold and the fuel was gelling up a bit. Transmission oil wouldn't make the gelling go away though. Could have been a quart of Power Serve or some other anti-gel agent or a fuel treatment to remove free water from some contaminated fuel that you got.

 

[CobyRupert]

Fuel oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Types of Heating Oil Fuels & Their Characteristics: What are the Different Petroleum-based Fuels and What are their Characteristics?

I've had the same questions. And getting to the bottom of it was/is very confusing. This is my current understanding. Please correct me or add to it and I will edit:

Red dye just means the distributor/customer didn't "render unto Caesar what is Caesars" (i.e. didn't pay gov'mint additional road tax). It has no bearing on whether it's #1 or #2 diesel, mix etc...

#2 Diesel is the common (summer) diesel used in trucks/tractors. Has more power (higher cetane number) than #1, but #2 begins to gel at +15° F. No.2 - 141,000 Btu/gal and 19,170-19,750 Btu/lb

#1 Diesel is used in the winter. #1 begins to gel at -40° F. Has less power than #2. No.1 - 137,000 Btu/gal and 19,670-19,860 Btu/lb.

Winter blend diesel may be #1 blended w/ #2. Maybe has a cetane booster & lubricant additive.

Kerosene: My understanding is Kerosene is #1 oil which has been filtered to clean it up. And reduce smell when used for lamp oil or heaters? My understanding is kerosene does not have same lubricating properties as #1, but I'm not sure. Maybe it's lubricating properties are the same as #1, but lesser than #2?

Off-road home heating oil / fuel oil can be #1 or #2 depending on your heating system, where your storage tanks are, etc.. (Not sure, but I think it's usually #2?)

High sulphur fuel is 3400 ppm, low sulphur is 500 ppm and Ultra low is 15 ppm. A 15 parts per million (ppm) sulfur specification, known as Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), was phased in for highway diesel fuel from 2006-2010. Diesel engines equipped with advanced emission control devices (generally, 2007 and later model year engines and vehicles) must use highway ULSD fuel.

When it comes to what you getting you really have to check with your supplier, and even that doesn't always work. I don't buy enough tractor fuel to buy off road, so I buy my diesel 5 gal at a time from local Hess station (who sells to on the road trucks, cars etc...). Last winter I called them and asked if they are selling winter mix. Flunky counter person had no clue, sends me up chain, finally speak to the "Manager of fuel distribution". Whoo-hoo, this guy ought to know! "Yep, it's winterized!" First night below 10 degrees, I go out next sunny day, tractor goes about 15 feet: "bleegh!"

 

[AaronS]

Forgive me for being dense on this. My tractor requires ultra low sulfur diesel. From what I've read here, Off-road diesel is also ultra low sulfur, it just has dye added to differentiate it from on-road?

 

[tjkubota93]

Yes. The red dye is added so "they" can tell if you put it in a road vehicle and get you in trouble.

 

[Raspy]

Ever watch Penn and Teller bullsh** show. That guys quote was pure BS. There is no difference in off road and on road fuel other than the dye. I don't know what was wrong with your tractor but it was not the road taxed fuel. At certain times of the year with cold weather approaching there could be some held over number 2 fuel in the pumps and farm diesel might be #1 already. That should not make your tractor loose power unless it was very cold and the fuel was gelling up a bit. Transmission oil wouldn't make the gelling go away though. Could have been a quart of Power Serve or some other anti-gel agent or a fuel treatment to remove free water from some contaminated fuel that you got.

Still laughing. Well said Gary.

 

[CobyRupert]

http://www.deq.state.or.us/aq/committees/docs/lcfs/definitions.pdf

The more you get into it, the more confusing it becomes. So don't. No. 1 Diesel Oil has different specs than No. 1 Fuel Oil. No 2 Diesel has different specs than No.2 Fuel Oil. No.2 "Distillate" can either be diesel oil, fuel oil, or may be called heating oil. Confused yet? Just know No. 1 (and kerosene) vs. No.2 and you'll be good .

No. 1 Distillate A light petroleum distillate that can be used as either a diesel fuel (see No. 1 Diesel Fuel) or a fuel oil.

No. 1 Diesel Fuel: A light distillate fuel oil that has distillation temperatures of 550 degrees Fahrenheit at the 90-percent point and meets the specifications defined in ASTM Specification D 975. It is used in high-speed diesel engines generally operated under frequent speed and load changes, such as those in city buses and similar vehicles.
No. 1 Fuel Oil: A light distillate fuel oil that has distillation temperatures of 400 degrees Fahrenheit at the 10-percent recovery point and 550 degrees Fahrenheit at the 90-percent point and meets the specifications defined in ASTM Specification D 396. It is used primarily as fuel for portable outdoor stoves and portable outdoor heaters.

No. 2 Distillate A petroleum distillate that can be used as either a diesel fuel (see No. 2 Diesel Fuel) or a fuel oil (see No. 2 Fuel Oil).

No. 2 Diesel Fuel A fuel that has distillation temperatures of 500 degrees Fahrenheit at the 10-percent recovery point and 640 degrees Fahrenheit at the 90-percent recovery point and meets the specifications defined in ASTM Specification D 975. It is used in high-speed diesel engines that are generally operated under uniform speed and load conditions, such as those in railroad locomotives, trucks, and automobiles.
No. 2 Diesel Fuel, High Sulfur No. 2 diesel fuel that has a sulfur level above 500 ppm.
No. 2 Diesel Fuel, Low Sulfur No. 2 diesel fuel that has a sulfur level between 15 ppm and 500 ppm (inclusive). It is used primarily in motor vehicle diesel engines for on-highway use.
No. 2 Diesel Fuel, Ultra Low Sulfur No. 2 diesel fuel that has a sulfur level no higher than 15 ppm. It is used primarily in motor vehicle diesel engines for on-highway use.

No. 2 Fuel Oil (Heating Oil) A distillate fuel oil that has a distillation temperature of 640 degrees Fahrenheit at the 90-percent recovery point and meets the specifications defined in ASTM Specification D 396. It is used in atomizing type burners for domestic heating or for moderate capacity commercial/industrial

 

[chopped]

Id also like to know myself.. Hope someone knows. Ive had a few questions out there asking this this...

Are you guys saying red farm diesel is the same as red heating oil? Or red dye heating oil can be used in the newer diesels. I mainly just want to know if heating oil can be used in my 2013 ls tractor with Mits. 4 cyl tier 3. I believe the heating oil we get is called #2 oil. The manual says to use ultra low sulfur diesel

 

[milkie62]

But I have heard that the lo sulphur diesel is tougher on older injector pumps.I have been adding 1 qt of either tranny fluid or 2 cycle oil to 10 gallons of diesel to my Kubota 6800 2000 era tractor.

 

[chopped]

Ive heard that also. Is that maybe too much mixture per gallon? For what it should be if there is even a should be value?

But I have heard that the lo sulphur diesel is tougher on older injector pumps.I have been adding 1 qt of either tranny fluid or 2 cycle oil to 10 gallons of diesel to my Kubota 6800 2000 era tractor.