Off Road diesel over store pump diesel

[Capricious]

"..It's not good..."


In what respect?

 

[chopped]

And what is it?

"..It's not good..."


In what respect?

 

[varmint]

This is just second hand info, and I have no real understanding of the issues, unlike some posters, but a couple of years ago, when getting our home heating oil tank filled, I asked the driver to fill up my 5 gal. tractor can, and inquired if he thought it was the same as the undyed road fuel... he replied that both fuels came out of the same tank an the fuel depot/ distributor (where about all the local oil companies got their fuels) and that he added the red dye to each load, as required. This is in the metropolitan Baltimore area, so a lot of diesel was being consumed. Since we are forced to use "clean" gas, and non-ethanol is hard to get unless you travel to the less congested areas, I assume that our diesel would be ULS as well.

 

[Capricious]

This is just second hand info, and I have no real understanding of the issues, unlike some posters, but a couple of years ago, when getting our home heating oil tank filled, I asked the driver to fill up my 5 gal. tractor can, and inquired if he thought it was the same as the undyed road fuel... he replied that both fuels came out of the same tank an the fuel depot/ distributor (where about all the local oil companies got their fuels) and that he added the red dye to each load, as required. This is in the metropolitan Baltimore area, so a lot of diesel was being consumed. Since we are forced to use "clean" gas, and non-ethanol is hard to get unless you travel to the less congested areas, I assume that our diesel would be ULS as well.

Baltimore Harbor is a major oil distribution center, so if anything other than ULSD was available, it would be there, even if not saleable in the immediate Baltimore area.

Increasingly, dyed off-road and heating oil are, and will be, ULSD.

We COULD use low surphur or high sulphur if it were available to us, but it is not.

We also dye our ULSD diesel ourselves, to avoid the tax issues.

 

[George2615]

So....
1. Other than the red "off-road" dye, is there any difference in the #2 diesel you buy at the pump versus the #2 fuel oil (heating oil) you have delivered to your furnace tank?
That is: Do they ad a lube agent and/ or cetane booster to diesel but not heating oil? I assume they're the same other than the dye.

2. When someone has fuel oil (heating oil) delivered, do they give you a different product if your tank is in the basement, versus if your tank is outside? Or will you automatically receive a #1 & #2 blend that wont gel (freeze)? Or do they just assume your tank is in warm basement?

Here in my part of NY home heating oil is ULSD (15PPM) #2 dyed diesel. Yes, they do offer #1 Kerosene for HHO if your tank is outside. You can choose whichever you want. I use #2 ULSD dyed diesel. The #1 costs a little more.
I have 3 - 275 gallon tanks, 1 in the basement that the furnace runs off of, 1 outside tank that is piped to the basement tank to refill it when it gets low and a second outside tank is for the tractor. I use Power service (the white bottle) in both outside tanks. I just filled my tanks a couple weeks ago. I had 100 gallons put in the tank for the tractor and filled the other outside tank for the furnace. The basement tank still had 175 gallons left from last season. Paid $3.599 a gallon. I've been using #2 and power service for HHO and tractors since I moved here in 1990.

My local truck stop sells both #1 and #2 On road diesel which is not dyed but you have to pay road tax. Not sure what it's selling for lately but it's much more than HHO.

 

[mo1]

The off road diesel I buy for my lawn mower and farm tractor is specifically billed as "High Sulfer Diesel". I buy it in town at Corrigan's home office. Green tank, red fuel.

I think their pump may be mis-labeled. My impression is that in 2011 or thereabouts all diesel fuel is ULSD. The local red diesel pump I buy from specifically says it's ULSD and that it has been mandated since 2011 to be used in all offroad diesel engines.

 

[ruffdog]

I contacted my local fuel distributer about the diesel fuel and hope I get a response. They sell OTR and off road diesel and NO ethanol gasoline at the local location.

They responded:

"OTR diesel and dyed diesel are exactly the same with the exception of the red dye. The sulfur content in both is 15 PPM."

 

[ruffdog]

After June of 2010, all off road diesel production will have to be ULSD per this very informative John Deere article.

Does John Deere allow the use of Ultra-Low-Sulfur diesel fuel? : Ultra-Low-Sulfur diesel fuel in John Deere Engines.

 

[ruffdog]

Quote from above article:

What can we do to reduce risk with use in older vehicles?
Know what fuel sulfur content you are fueling with thru pump labels and fuel sampling.
Monitor the fuel system, especially around pump and filters, to catch seepage and to prevent air ingestion.
Check filters for premature plugging.

Additives for lubricity should not be necessary. Like Low Sulfur Diesel fuel, ULSD fuel requires good lubricity and corrosion inhibitors to prevent unacceptable engine wear. Additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion will be added to ULSD fuel prior to its retail sale. With these additives, ULSD fuel is expected to perform as well as Low Sulfur Diesel fuel.

 

[Wolfy]

I drove a oil truck this past winter. All the fuel comes from one big tank, so I would not worry much about the "fine print" There were a few customers who had farm tanks set up, and ran tractors and other machines on this fuel, with no issues. Some customers with outside tanks ran them on Kerosene, which is more money, but your furnace runs much cleaner. A PowerService or Howes type of product will help in real cold temperatures.