off road diesel

[RandyT]

Kind of funny that some people always have issues with water in gas or fuel, and others don't. Must be some peoples storage containers are not as air tight as they should be.

I have never had issues with contaminates in my overhead diesel storage tank even after storing fuel for several years between refills. But part of it may be due to the fact I use a 3 psi pressure cap. So it reduced the amount of air exchange.

 

[greenie]

You must have a special kind of luck. Fuel left outside like that just about anywhere else would trash todays injectors quick

No, not at all. Mobile and modular homes and structures without a basement with oil-fired furnaces, boilers, and water heaters almost always store heating oil or kerosene outdoors. I'm a licensed master oil burner technician and had many accounts with outdoor tanks. Those tanks last for years and are never cleaned - more fuel is added. These tanks might be in service for more than 30 years. The burners had nozzles as fine as .50 GPH @ 100 PSI, and those small orifice nozzles can clog easily - easier than diesel injectors which operate at 1,800+ PSI.
Unlike gasoline, heating oil and kerosene have long shelf life. I've run my 1999 John Deere 790 compact tractor exclusively on a 275 gallon fuel tank since new and at almost 1,900 hours it's still on its original injectors. There is never any water in the tractor's fuel filter bowl to drain.
Another interesting fact is that in Maine (and probably most other states where #2 heating oil is a common fuel for heating) heating oil is now also ultra low sulfur - same product as diesel fuel.
I always wait a day after a fuel delivery before pumping any fuel - delivery trucks pump really fast and if there's any sediment in the tank it can be stirred up during a delivery.

 

[Hay Dude]

I have never seen results like that around MY area. Peeps always be adding additives and biocides, etc. Fuel sucks around here.

 

[LouNY]

We have had fuel quality problems a couple of times. It has always been a pain as when it's first found it's already in several systems. Now as soon as we even suspect that a load of fuel may have the slightest chance of having something all the tanks involved get a dose of biocide and we keep a close eye on filters, both tanks and equipment.

 

[RayIN]

No, not at all. Mobile and modular homes and structures without a basement with oil-fired furnaces, boilers, and water heaters almost always store heating oil or kerosene outdoors. I'm a licensed master oil burner technician and had many accounts with outdoor tanks. Those tanks last for years and are never cleaned - more fuel is added. These tanks might be in service for more than 30 years. The burners had nozzles as fine as .50 GPH @ 100 PSI, and those small orifice nozzles can clog easily - easier than diesel injectors which operate at 1,800+ PSI.
Unlike gasoline, heating oil and kerosene have long shelf life. I've run my 1999 John Deere 790 compact tractor exclusively on a 275 gallon fuel tank since new and at almost 1,900 hours it's still on its original injectors. There is never any water in the tractor's fuel filter bowl to drain.
Another interesting fact is that in Maine (and probably most other states where #2 heating oil is a common fuel for heating) heating oil is now also ultra low sulfur - same product as diesel fuel.
I always wait a day after a fuel delivery before pumping any fuel - delivery trucks pump really fast and if there's any sediment in the tank it can be stirred up during a delivery.

Todays HPCR injectors have tolerances so tight the molecule size difference between diesel fuel and water will ruin them; then there's the steam factor that water presents in new HPCR style injectors. (18,000-24,000 psi)
Shoot, those old diesel engines would run on practically anything that flows through a pipe

 

[Hay Dude]

Todays HPCR injectors have tolerances so tight the molecule size difference between diesel fuel and water will ruin them; then there's the steam factor that water presents in new HPCR style injectors. (18,000-24,000 psi)
Shoot, those old diesel engines would run on practically anything that flows through a pipe

Exactly.
You could get away with crap fuel on 20+ year old diesels.
Not any more….

 

[Snobdds]

You must have a special kind of luck. Fuel left outside like that just about anywhere else would trash todays injectors quick

I would never fuel up from anything other than a high volume fuel station if running a CP3 or CP4 HPFP.

On the other hand, I would have no problem filling up a mechanical based fuel pump with bulk storage tanks.

We don't have high taxes here on fuel so the dollar difference to supply tax free fuel is very minimal. So everyone just buys regular ol diesel for everything. I have never seen dyed diesel in my life. If that tells you anything.

 

[LouNY]

When I was working in the Evanston area of Wyoming several decades ago I saw several thousand gallons of off road labeled #2.

 

[careyo63]

I have both local. The station is the only one even close to the house that sells Red off-Rd.. Two pump station for the Red Dye. Around the back side of the building. It's a large Chevron with Gas and 8-10 pumps.
Only use Diesel in the mowing season and hardly ever do I see people pumping the red off-Rd.. Hardly ever or basically never see a Tractor or farm equipment fueling up with it, Always filling 5 Gal. cans. Yellow ones for a while.
Couple Yrs. back my Red 5 gal gas can they wouldn't let me fill it with off rd. Diesel. INKY!! Prices was super high and just to save the almighty dollar people would fill the cans and then use it the Pickups, cars Etc.. The sales was way up IMO.. My Yanmar doesn't use much fuel and I noticed that you never or rarely ever see anyone filling Off Rd. diesel. Esp. now with lower prices. It has crossed my mind that it has to set in the storage tanks for a long while. Not seeing it being used very much I'll pay the couple extra dollars just to be safe.

 

[Hay Dude]

My off road diesel fuel stop has guys in line waiting to fill tractors and tanks mounted in trucks. I’m in a very heavy AG area.
Some of those tractors running on red dye are $250,000-$500,000 tractors, too.

I’ve only had ONE injector related failure and it was using old fuel from a 300G storage tank.

No offense, but I probably use 100 times as much diesel fuel as the average TBN guy per month, so my sampling size is a LOT larger. It’s very common to use 100+ gallons in one long day of raking, baling & stacking.

My diesel fuel bill for August alone was $1,200.

 

[LouNY]

My off road diesel fuel stop has guys in line waiting to fill tractors and tanks mounted in trucks. I’m in a very heavy AG area.
Some of those tractors running on red dye are $250,000-$500,000 tractors, too.

I’ve only had ONE injector related failure and it was using old fuel from a 300G storage tank.

No offense, but I probably use 100 times as much diesel fuel as the average TBN guy per month, so my sampling size is a LOT larger. It’s very common to use 100+ gallons in one long day of raking, baling & stacking.

My diesel fuel bill for August alone was $1,200.

I don't know if many of the local stations have off road. Most of the use I've seen on those has been 5 gallon jugs or mid sized truck tanks for refilling equipment. Those that do usually also have a pump for #1 fuel. Some of them maintain a ledger that you have to sign before buying that fuel. Most farms around here have there own storage facilities of 500 to 1500 gallons. During the forage chopping season both corn and hay some of these places have a contract with one of the fuel suppliers to come on site and fill all the trucks and tractors and those thirsty choppers. Most have them come by every night during the season. One custom operator had a 1000 gallon tank in a stock trailer. No placards or DOT nonsense that way.

 

[Hay Dude]

Here’s a $250,000 Fendt 716 waiting for me to finish filling up with off road diesel. He pulled in behind me and refueled with the same off road diesel.


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