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[s219]

Surely you don't think that $28,500 would be better spent on a 26 HP tractor that can only lift around 800 lbs, than a 40-46 HP tractor that can lift 2500 ... And has more/better features, nicer cab, better warranty, etc ???

Not really saying that, and in fact there are better values than a B in Kubota's lineup (which I have stressed in another thread about the B3350 that veered into such talk). The OP has given reasons why he's interested in a B2650 cab here though, and that's the angle I was shooting from.

The cabs on the B3350 and B2650 are fairly deluxe in my opinion. These are the deluxe B models, and in a slightly different ballpark than the basic B models. Analogous to the difference between an L and Grand L.

 

[edgarrian]

The cabs on those smaller tractors aren't as nice as the cabs in the larger tractors. The B series cabs feel like after thoughts, almost like aftermarket. Kubota makes a good machine, but the OP will get much more for his dollar with a cabbed LS.

Surely you don't think that $28,500 would be better spent on a 26 HP tractor that can only lift around 800 lbs, than a 40-46 HP tractor that can lift 2500 ... And has more/better features, nicer cab, better warranty, etc ???

the 2650 cab has much to be desired when compared to MF, LS, Boomer. There is alot to be said when S219 stated you get what u pay for. Kubota has dropped the ball on their 3350s. and they are proud of the 2650 probably b.c its tier3 and nobody wants there tier4 small cab tractor. I have been on both subforums Kubota and LS and LS has less complaints. I realize that its a brand thats not purchased nearly as much but there tier 4s dont have the issues as a kubuta does. Or with the research i have done on google.

 

[TSO]

No doubt...

I think the cabs on the Grand L series Kubota are very nice. I just think that the cab quality on the small rigs is awful when you consider the price... But, for those people that truly can't go larger than a B series size, it's either that, or aftermarket ... So I can understand that it presents an option, albeit expensive.

The tier 3 LS I had was a very good tractor. Chances are, had they offered a better loader (higher lift), more HP in HST available, and maybe a little better cab materials, I'd still be LS blue instead of Massey red. Lots of value there.

In all honesty, if the OP wants to go with Kubota, and size isn't a major factor, he could probably get a nice L3540 cab loader for around $30k. That's a much much better purchase than a B2620/3030, etc

 

[Deerherd]

I actually don't know of any other company besides Kubota that offers a factory cab in a tractor that small.

They do, just not to its American customers.....

 

[s219]

the 2650 cab has much to be desired when compared to MF, LS, Boomer. There is alot to be said when S219 stated you get what u pay for. Kubota has dropped the ball on their 3350s. and they are proud of the 2650 probably b.c its tier3 and nobody wants there tier4 small cab tractor. I have been on both subforums Kubota and LS and LS has less complaints. I realize that its a brand thats not purchased nearly as much but there tier 4s dont have the issues as a kubuta does. Or with the research i have done on google.

The B2650 (and most other compact utility tractors sold in the US in the last 4-7 years) are Tier IV Interim, not Tier III. No doubt, the 3350 has had major problems with the emissions equipment, but if you read enough here on the forum over the past year, there are plenty of assorted problems with the other brands too, just not of the same magnitude we've read about with the 3350. And other Kubota models have been fine, with no reports of issues here (such as the new 3301/3901, which sell in higher volume than the 3350).

I have no idea if statistics or scale are at play here, since I feel like I have seen as many or more "new B3350 problem" threads than I have seen all of "I bought a new LS" threads combined. The difference in sales volume among these brands are huge, so it could have a lot to do with it. Remember, in the US Kubota sells the most CUTs, followed by Deere, and then the 3rd place is an order of magnitude smaller than 2nd. LS and other brands are farther down the list. Nothing against LS in the least, and I am certainly not defending Kubota -- they deserve all the crap they can get about the B3350.

 

[PHPaul]

I'm not locked in on that particular tractor, but it does have all the features I'm looking for.

Just did a bit more research and the Kioti dealer that I thought was doing tractors as a sideline to ATV's and sports stuff is actually a tractor dealer. I mis-read the sign driving by. Also sells Massey Furgeson. I'll be stopping by there tomorrow to have a look around.

 

[edgarrian]

The B2650 (and most other compact utility tractors sold in the US in the last 4-7 years) are Tier IV Interim, not Tier III. No doubt, the 3350 has had major problems with the emissions equipment, but if you read enough here on the forum over the past year, there are plenty of assorted problems with the other brands too, just not of the same magnitude we've read about with the 3350. And other Kubota models have been fine, with no reports of issues here (such as the new 3301/3901, which sell in higher volume than the 3350).

I have no idea if statistics or scale are at play here, since I feel like I have seen as many or more "new B3350 problem" threads than I have seen all of "I bought a new LS" threads combined. The difference in sales volume among these brands are huge, so it could have a lot to do with it. Remember, in the US Kubota sells the most CUTs, followed by Deere, and then the 3rd place is an order of magnitude smaller than 2nd. LS and other brands are farther down the list. Nothing against LS in the least, and I am certainly not defending Kubota -- they deserve all the crap they can get about the B3350.

I agree very much so on the sales of kubotas when compared to that of LS. They just dont have the volume so if they have problems it may not be as transparent. I have asked owners about the LS tractors and i havent heard of any really bad complaints yet and most have had for six months to a year. Which is relatively not long for a tractor. It can be somewhat of nightmare to try and figure out which way to go. Personally I was set on a 2650 but im rethinking that decision. Oh well I have a until july or so to make a my final decision so I have plenty of time.

 

[Dr_Zinj]

Something is worth only what someone is willing to pay. Can be hard to take. My kids watch storage wars, can't stand it. They say what's worth, but don't show them selling. Show me the sale with cash in hand, then it is worth that.

That's why I like watching Pawn Stars occasionally. They have a better appreciation for how much other people are willing to pay for an item, which determines how much they'll offer the seller. They sometimes get nice stuff, but if nobody else wants it, it's just junk value.

 

[s219]

I agree very much so on the sales of kubotas when compared to that of LS. They just dont have the volume so if they have problems it may not be as transparent. I have asked owners about the LS tractors and i havent heard of any really bad complaints yet and most have had for six months to a year. Which is relatively not long for a tractor. It can be somewhat of nightmare to try and figure out which way to go. Personally I was set on a 2650 but im rethinking that decision. Oh well I have a until july or so to make a my final decision so I have plenty of time.

Some of the stuff I read about the DPF machines (any brand) gives me pause. For instance, some of them will want a 30-40 minute regen, whether you yourself have time to be around for 30-40 minutes. If you plan on running the tractor, then a working regen is no real inconvenience. But a parked regen would tick me off.

Some of the jobs I do with my tractor only last 10-15 minutes, like taking the trash cans to the street. Literally, I am in the barn, on the tractor, and back in the barn in 15 minutes tops. Having to do a regen anywhere in that process would tick me off. Especially since you shouldn't really leave a high-rpm running tractor unattended, and I wouldn't want to leave it running inside my barn.

If I were buying another tractor today, I'd either be looking for an older Tier IV Interim model without DPF and regen cycles, or I'd go 26HP and under to avoid Tier IV Final.

Maybe it would work fine, but knowing my workflows and time limitations, and never being caught up on chores, anytime I'd have to accommodate a regen cycle would likely cause frustration.

 

[PHPaul]

Well, I locked in today. NH and MF don't offer anything in my HP/Price range with a cab. Kioti came very close, actually looked at a Tier 4 Interim 30-something horse with a pretty attractive price, but they want 4.x% interest to finance and I'm not filled with confidence by the dealership.

So, I went back to the Kubota place, which I've dealt with before on implements. They are a full service farm/ag dealer that started out as an Allis Chalmers dealer in 1958. The Kubota has a way nicer cab, they will load the rears with non-corrosive fluid for free and just generally treat the customer better. 0/60 financing doesn't hurt either.

The new one is "in the mail" and they converted the order from dealer stock to retail which should speed up the trucking process a little.

I'm stoked!

 

[GolfAddict]

Yay! You're going to love it!!

 

[dave1949]

Congratulations! You will be riding in style.

 

[TSO]

Congrats

 

[s219]

Wow, you don't mess around! Be sure to post pics when you get it.

 

[edgarrian]

Some of the stuff I read about the DPF machines (any brand) gives me pause. For instance, some of them will want a 30-40 minute regen, whether you yourself have time to be around for 30-40 minutes. If you plan on running the tractor, then a working regen is no real inconvenience. But a parked regen would tick me off.

Some of the jobs I do with my tractor only last 10-15 minutes, like taking the trash cans to the street. Literally, I am in the barn, on the tractor, and back in the barn in 15 minutes tops. Having to do a regen anywhere in that process would tick me off. Especially since you shouldn't really leave a high-rpm running tractor unattended, and I wouldn't want to leave it running inside my barn.

If I were buying another tractor today, I'd either be looking for an older Tier IV Interim model without DPF and regen cycles, or I'd go 26HP and under to avoid Tier IV Final.

Maybe it would work fine, but knowing my workflows and time limitations, and never being caught up on chores, anytime I'd have to accommodate a regen cycle would likely cause frustration.

I can agree with you on this one. i wouldnt want to deal with it as well. The folks that do have the LS and it regens every 4 to 6 hours while they are working. Not sure how long it takes I didnt ask. I called the dealer and asked if they have encountered any problems and he states they havent. Its a reputable dealer in my area. I guess LS is coming out with there own engines without the regen. Not sure how that will work.

 

[PHPaul]

Wow, you don't mess around! Be sure to post pics when you get it.

Yeah, it's kind of a curse. I hate waffling around over a decision.

Also, I got the Chief Financial Officer's approval and needed to move before she changed her mind

I've also had REAL good luck so far selling off some other toys on Craigslist to cushion the impact, which doesn't hurt at all.

 

[peterc38]

Well, I locked in today. NH and MF don't offer anything in my HP/Price range with a cab. Kioti came very close, actually looked at a Tier 4 Interim 30-something horse with a pretty attractive price, but they want 4.x% interest to finance and I'm not filled with confidence by the dealership.

So, I went back to the Kubota place, which I've dealt with before on implements. They are a full service farm/ag dealer that started out as an Allis Chalmers dealer in 1958. The Kubota has a way nicer cab, they will load the rears with non-corrosive fluid for free and just generally treat the customer better. 0/60 financing doesn't hurt either.

The new one is "in the mail" and they converted the order from dealer stock to retail which should speed up the trucking process a little.

I'm stoked!

Sweet! Don't forget to post some pics!

 

[peterc38]

Also, I got the Chief Financial Officer's approval and needed to move before she changed her mind

Same here. I'm making a move on an L4060 right now before she changes her mind!

 

[dragoneggs]

Congratulations!!! Welcome to the Orange club. I know you will love your new ride!

 

[s219]

Yeah, it's kind of a curse. I hate waffling around over a decision.

Also, I got the Chief Financial Officer's approval and needed to move before she changed her mind

I've also had REAL good luck so far selling off some other toys on Craigslist to cushion the impact, which doesn't hurt at all.

Geez, that sounds very much like the decision/authority/financial process here. The problem I often run into here is, after getting all my ducks in a row, I'll find out the equipment I want isn't available for some other reason. It is nice in the cases when everything works out though.