Oil & Fuel Oil Filter Cross Reference

[The Fred]

Kubota oem HH164-32430 oil filter
shell thickness .022"
bypass spring opens @ 2lbs. 5oz.
filter media thickness + dimesions .035" x 2.25" wide x 125" of material
price $10.40


Mann W917 (Volvo application)
shell .022"
bypass 2 lbs. 15oz.
media .022" thick x 2,25" wide x 145" long
price $4.75


Full 1OVV329 (Volvo app)
shell .020"
bypass 2lbs. 2 oz.
media .022" x 2.25" wide x 98" long
price $2.75


Fram PH7328
shell .015"
bypass 7 lbs. 12 oz.
media .031 x 2.25" x 51" long
price $6.00 ish high 5s


Napa 1307 (kubota, volvo app)
shell .015"
bypass 9 lbs.
media .028" x 2.25" x 85" long
price $5.60

Just an FYI Regards, Fred

 

[LD1]

cool results.

One note though, the force to open the bypass spring is really irrelevant without knowing the area of the piece pushing on it. They all could have identical opening pressure ratings. But if the area of the valve(for lack of better terms) on the napa and fram filters is larger, it would need a stiffer spring.

I also wouldnt put much stock into the shell thicknesses. Even as thin as they are, I personally have never had nor seen one blow up.

Interesting though that two of the cheapest filters on the list seem to have the thickest shell and most media.... And from two companies I have never heard of???

But what I think a fair assesment from this test is, none of those are made the same. Would have been interesting is a few were identical

 

[The Fred]

I also wouldnt put much stock into the shell thicknesses. Even as thin as they are, I personally have never had nor seen one blow up.

The reason you won't see one blow or get big is because the bypass valve opens so virtually EVERY time you start your engine with cold oil the bypass is opening letting unfiltered oil through. I wouldn't know this but every old Chevy small and big block I have hot-rodded has a blocked bypass valve so that no unfiltered oil goes to the bearings when cold. Once the bypass gets blocked you must run a high performance filter so the shell doesn't burst.
John Lingenfelter on Modifying Small-Block Chevy Engines: High Performance ... - John Lingenfelter - Google Books

FULL brand is a Thailand made filter that mimics/clones OEM filters, I don't use them either. Mann is a German company that started in 1941 and is an OEM supplier to many manufacturers. This filter has kept most Volvo cars prior to 1999 on the road. This number W917 fits most old Volvos since the 60s. I have sold many and used to buy them by the 100 when the number was popular. I have never seen a failure. If you Google the name and find their online catalog they don't list an oil filter for Kubota tractors.

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Also used slave labor during WW2

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The Kubota filter and the Mann filter are both in my opinion excellent choices. The Napa filter left me with doubts enough so when I get to work tomorrow I most likely will stop selling any of their oil filters. Leaves me with another question: Why do their air filters look so nice compared to OEM filters?

Fred

 

[crazyal]

The reason you won't see one blow or get big is because the bypass valve opens so virtually EVERY time you start your engine with cold oil the bypass is opening letting unfiltered oil through. I wouldn't know this but every old Chevy small and big block I have hot-rodded has a blocked bypass valve so that no unfiltered oil goes to the bearings when cold. Once the bypass gets blocked you must run a high performance filter so the shell doesn't burst.
John Lingenfelter on Modifying Small-Block Chevy Engines: High Performance ... - John Lingenfelter - Google Books

FULL brand is a Thailand made filter that mimics/clones OEM filters, I don't use them either. Mann is a German company that started in 1941 and is an OEM supplier to many manufacturers. This filter has kept most Volvo cars prior to 1999 on the road. This number W917 fits most old Volvos since the 60s. I have sold many and used to buy them by the 100 when the number was popular. I have never seen a failure. If you Google the name and find their online catalog they don't list an oil filter for Kubota tractors.

Mann+Hummel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also used slave labor during WW2

Forced & Slave Labor Compensation Fund | Jewish Virtual Library

The Kubota filter and the Mann filter are both in my opinion excellent choices. The Napa filter left me with doubts enough so when I get to work tomorrow I most likely will stop selling any of their oil filters. Leaves me with another question: Why do their air filters look so nice compared to OEM filters?

Fred

The reason why you'll not see one blow is because there's always an over pressure valve. In a normal engine they would be around 60 psi. Engine builders will often swap them out with one that's set for up to 100 psi. The over pressure valve, at least on a SBC is built into the oil pump, before the filter. If you have a cheap oil pump and the over pressure valve isn't working or is too small to let enough oil drain back into the pan. The filter bypass is more to prevent destroying the filter media if it can't pass oil fast enough through it.

 

[mcg122]

Mann+Hummel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also used slave labor during WW2

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Fred

I happened upon this thread looking for filter info.

Very interesting reading. I especially liked the filter pictures. I've driven Volvos for over thirty years. Nice to see that their OEM filter is so well made.
But I thought it was a bit ironic that The Fred was commenting about German manufacturers while he owns a Japanese tractor!!
If my memory serves me correctly, the Japanese were not particularly caring with population in the countries they occupied or with their POW's during WWII.

And a tractor costs a bit more than a filter...

Regards,

Mark

 

[The Fred]

Nice first post. I actually hate asian cars, I work on import cars for a living and see how they are all built. I don't like this tractor either and have not from the start. Most likely won't buy another.

I do need a compact tractor so what are my choices?

EVERY new car I have bought in 35 years has been made in the USA except for one Mexican made Jetta. I have only ever owned 1 asian car, it was a POS Nissan Stanza that someone gave me. I kept it running because both sliding doors would lock open and 4 guys could sit comfortably making road hunting and shooting out the open doors a blast.

After seeing these filters apart I stopped selling Napa brand or any Wix products.

I am 100% American for what it's worth. By the way that Chevy truck in the picture was assembled in Pontiac, Michigan or what's left of the failing state.

Fred

 

[Blade Breaker]

Nice first post. I actually hate asian cars, I work on import cars for a living and see how they are all built. I don't like this tractor either and have not from the start. Most likely won't buy another.

I do need a compact tractor so what are my choices?

EVERY new car I have bought in 35 years has been made in the USA except for one Mexican made Jetta. I have only ever owned 1 asian car, it was a POS Nissan Stanza that someone gave me. I kept it running because both sliding doors would lock open and 4 guys could sit comfortably making road hunting and shooting out the open doors a blast.

After seeing these filters apart I stopped selling Napa brand or any Wix products.

I am 100% American for what it's worth. By the way that Chevy truck in the picture was assembled in Pontiac, Michigan or what's left of the failing state.

Fred

Just curious what drove you to buy the Kubota if you do not like imports? I also buy American whenever possible.

Concerning filters I have always purchased the filters for the tractors from the dealers that sell them. Got burned one time buying Napa parts and will never do it again to save a couple bucks.

 

[tjkubota93]

There isnt an American compact tractor. Deere is an American company but they dont sell American tractors. I figured buy from the source, instead of buying rebadged.

 

[Blade Breaker]

There isnt an American compact tractor. Deere is an American company but they dont sell American tractors. I figured buy from the source, instead of buying rebadged.

See page 2-3, says Georgia. John Deere

 

[snpower]

Question: Isn't it possible that the whole filter thing is a bit of a moving target?

The filter you like, and cut apart to analyze today, might be made on a different assembly line by a different sub-vendor tomorrow? I don't know! I do know that on airplanes, the manufacturer will change part supply vendors to save $$$. Same part, same factory specs - different outcome: something you need doesn't do it's job or work properly when you need it to. I've seen it many times.

I don't know enough about filter manufacturing. I've used Kubota filters and Hastings so far on my BX. I do like to research oils, and I spend time over at bobistheoilguy. Frequent filter changes are the best safety in the end.