Oil & Fuel Oil Filter

[clemsonfor]

I don't care what Hoye or anyone says, if you've used a filter(s) without issue for a few years, then none of the rest matters. The oil you use is much more important.

I've never heard of an automotive filter not having a pressure bypass in it.. They all do.

Yoou can also run your tractor for years without changing the oil, same in your vehicle mostlikely both without problems but why risk doing it?

 

[California]

Has anyone ever had a no-oil engine failure on a Yanmar? (while there was still oil in the crankcase).

 

[TerryShugart]

If you want to spend the money ($14-$16) depending on where you buy it, K&N lists a filter for the YM276 which I would think also fits my 2310 among others. Part number is HP-8032. Autozone sells K&N oil filters but I didn't see this number listed on their web site.
Terry

 

[Car Doc]

Has anyone ever had a no-oil engine failure on a Yanmar? (while there was still oil in the crankcase).

Not yet but I recently had a close call with a no oil failure with no oil in crankcase when my oil gage sender nipple broke.

 

[California]

Yanmar part, or aftermarket?

 

[Car Doc]

Mine was 100% dumb me it was not Yanmar parts at all that caused that but with that said Yanmar doesn't make lots of the other things I installed either including the oil filter. :thumbsup:

 

[California]

BeenThereDoneThat. I tore the wire off the oil sender in the brush. The red light on the dash didn't mean anything but it was still unnerving to drive back to the barn with it on.


Really, the point I'm pushing is: I think an unmodified Yanmar is the most reliable of all. Experimentation can satisfy our curiosity, but I'm not convinced we can improve on the designs. Oh - and I think Yanmar used a lot of off-the-shelf maintenance parts that are broadly used, and are available everywhere. If it is in some reputable filter maker's catalog that's good enough for me.

 

[Car Doc]

Oh absolutely they know whats best thats agreed bro! The light on even knowing it was false alarm would drive me nuts too!

For instance I am a Toyota fanatic I could be a poster person for them.

I have spent the last 20 something years working almost exclusively on them and being amazed constantly at a car company that cares so much about design and engineering like they do they absolutely ROCK! :thumbsup: (and I feel close to that way about Yanmar the more I am around their product)

 

[kenmac]

I agree not at the price hoye is selling them for. Especially considering he supposedly had them engineered and built for him. That im sure was a huge tens of thousands of $$ investment.
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I'm not exactly sure, but I thought Fredricks had this done & Hoye buys from them.I know They had most (if not all)all the engeneering work done on many other parts including ROPS. It could also be a joint venture type thing

 

[California]

Hmmm.

Source: Fleetfilter .com
Wix 51334 & Napa 1334 Oil Filter
Code: 51334
Retail Price: $7.29
...[photo]

"PARTS DETAIL
Principal Application: Acura (88-05), Chevrolet (85-88), Dodge (91-96), Ford (88-96), Honda (72-09), Hyundai (89-10), Isuzu (85-04), Kia (01-10), Mercury (87-91), Mitsubishi (89-98), Subaru (87-10) Atlas-Copco, Case, John Deere, Kobelco, Komatsu, Kubota, Onan, Toro & Yanmar Diesel, Other
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.194
Outer Diameter Top: 3.252
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=22/40
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 19

Now, a question: Why in the world would Fredricks [top of page 40] choose '1334' as the name for his YM240 etc oil filter???? Do you suppose ....

 

[California]

... I am a Toyota fanatic ... and I feel close to that way about Yanmar the more I am around their product.

I agree, Yanmar is fully the 'Toyota' of the small tractor world.

I've posted before: I think the YM240 and 336D that Yanmar used to sell in the US persuaded Deere that they couldn't top that quality; the only way for Deere to avoid losing market share was for Deere to contract Yanmar to build small Deeres. Deere knew when they had met their match!

 

[kenmac]

Hmmm.



Now, a question: Why in the world would Fredricks [top of page 40] choose '1334' as the name for his YM240 etc oil filter???? Do you suppose ....

Don't know. I have used his filters b-4. Never noticed that # but, have noticed made in china

 

[clemsonfor]

I'm not exactly sure, but I thought Fredricks had this done & Hoye buys from them.I know They had most (if not all)all the engeneering work done on many other parts including ROPS. It could also be a joint venture type thing

Maybe your right, i really dont know? Whoever did it had some $$ in it which was my point why its maybe a dollar more than the nappa filter which has been around forever.

 

[clemsonfor]

Hmmm.



Now, a question: Why in the world would Fredricks [top of page 40] choose '1334' as the name for his YM240 etc oil filter???? Do you suppose ....

Your retail price is higher than the Hoye price, excluding shipping, unless they sell below retail listed price.

Don't know. I have used his filters b-4. Never noticed that # but, have noticed made in china

He must have it as his part # cause the filters are just white nothing on them at all.

 

[YannyMan]

Yoou can also run your tractor for years without changing the oil, same in your vehicle mostlikely both without problems but why risk doing it?

There is no risk with Wix that I have ever heard of. Change the filter and oil every 50 hours and that's it.

 

[California]

There are oil & filter threads, forums, even whole boards that debate this stuff endlessly. My own opinion after reading a little of that:

I have had Hoye include a 3-pack of oil filters when I was already paying shipping on an order from them. I suspect these filters are China replicas of the Wix 5-1334, contracted and wholesaled through Fredericks. In my opinion Hoye's 'user interface' - online catalog and ordering process - works better for the customer than buying direct from Fredericks. (and Hoye is a day closer to me for UPS shipping). I expect the merchandise is equivalent or identical.

The rest of the time I pay a little more locally for Napa Gold 1334 which I understand is made by Wix. This filter is specced by Wix for both my Yanmar and my Subaru.

I'm not advocating that anyone do likewise, just relating what works for me.

Now - starting off in a new direction - One of my Yanmar manuals says change the oil filter every 2 ~ 3 oil changes! I have to assume this was copied from a Yanmar-Japan manual and applies to tractors used mostly for tilling rice paddies with no dust. Does anyone here follow that manufacturer's recommendation?

 

[Car Doc]

Mine says that also and 100 hrs on oil, no I do oil and filter @ 50 which is still maybe 2 a year at most.

 

[kenmac]

Now - starting off in a new direction - One of my Yanmar manuals says change the oil filter every 2 ~ 3 oil changes! I have to assume this was copied from a Yanmar-Japan manual and applies to tractors used mostly for tilling rice paddies with no dust. Does anyone here follow that manufacturer's recommendation?

No I change filter at ever oil change.. I use the wix because I get a 10% discount on filters at the parts store. If I didn't get the discount I would buy the others

 

[clemsonfor]

No I change filter at ever oil change.. I use the wix because I get a 10% discount on filters at the parts store. If I didn't get the discount I would buy the others

Not arguing with you but you dont buy Hoyes just cause you get a $0.70 discount on your oil filter? Thats not much to make it worth it is it. If your ordering the shipping is covered pretty much anyway, heck youd save the $2.10 on fuel alone with the order.

I always joke and say that if you complain and just mess with the manager you can get 10% off on anything anywhere!

 

[rhett]

Phew, wiping sweat from my brow ...

$6.00 is cheap insurance changing a filter frequently.

OK, now for my 35 year old girls Oil system I am sure she has a wearing oil pump and clogging oil passages. Those two possibilities only add to Aaron's statement. If a filter uses smaller micron filtration elements, the filter surface area should increase proportionately. So it should be larger in size providing less restriction to the flow rate of oil distribution throughout the system.

As previously mentioned by me, the NAPA Gold filter restricted flow and the darn Idiot Light kept illuminating at Low RPM's (idle) even when the filter was new. I tried Aaron's filter and No More Idiot Lighting Up. An oil pressure gauge would give an accurate measure of the oil pressure drop at reduced RPM's. If I were to go back to a NAPA (Wix) Oil Filter I would look for one twice the size or more, with the same base mount to ensure a less restrictive flow of oil.

So, Increased filtration properties will require a larger filter. Wix does not do that...

Edit: Sorry I'm not a good writer, hopefully the point trying to be expressed can be recognized.