Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here?

   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #51  
someone mentioned a carfax report.. I wouldn't buy any vehicle based a carfax report alone..
There are several other reporting agencies that are used other than carfax..
Auto check,instavin, come to mind..
Some places may not even report a repair, wreck, etc, to carfax, auto check or any other reporting agency

Exactly. Any auto report is only as good as it's input. For those who think that by law auto repair shops must document any and all work done to a vehicle and consider this a "guarantee" for disclosure, I am sorry to say there exists no such guarantee.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #52  
I would make a trip to the VW dealer myself and ask about the repair. It will be documented if it in fact was taken there.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #53  
//So most likely this Knock sensor was sending the computer into Limp mode and making it lock out at 20mph like I see multiple people have talked about in this thread.
I asked a German engineer once why they had so much trouble with electronics and he said, "I don't understand it either, we hired the best British electronics engineers to teach us."

Another friend says, "The Germans don't trust electrons: they can't see them and they don't weigh anything."
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #54  
Exactly. Any auto report is only as good as it's input. For those who think that by law auto repair shops must document any and all work done to a vehicle and consider this a "guarantee" for disclosure, I am sorry to say there exists no such guarantee.


That's why I just :laughing: when someone says to me ''when buying used B sure to get a carfax''
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #55  
CarFax is nothing more than a data point people should use when evaluating a used car.

I use it to eliminate cars, e.g., accidents reported.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #56  
I have to agree with the others here about German cars. I started out with Volkswagons, saw the light and had Toyotas, then thought I'd treat myself to a 5 Series BMW CPO car. Total disaster, and I made myself a promise to NEVER PURCHASE ANOTHER GERMAN CAR AGAIN!!! Skeptical? Go down to your library and ask to see the most recent annual new car issue of Consumer Reports magazine. See what they have to say, especially about VW and the Passat. Maybe if you'd have done that to begin with, you're fiance would be driving a Toyota or Honda now. Yeah, 20/20 hindsight. Sorry.

I have a hard time believing that an anti knock sensor would put a car into limp home mode. ****** the timing, yes. You might notice some sluggishness, but not the symptoms you're experiencing. When the used car dealer gets the car back, go down to the VW dealer first and ask to speak with the service manager. Explain the situation to him, and see if he provides a reasonable rationale for the repair that was made. Also inquire if there is any warranty associated with that repair, and about whatever warranty may be left on the car. You might as well try to build some rapport with the dealership now, because if my experience is any guide, you'll be seeing a LOT of him if you get stuck with the car. That is, unless, you can find a GOOD independent. If you can, it might even be worth while to take the car to him for an inspection, which should have been done prior to the purchase. Sorry, again more 20/20 hind sight.

It may be too late now, but see what the BBB and rating services like Yelp have to say about the used car dealership that sold you the car. If they have addressed the complaints against them satisfactorily, chances are they'll do the same for you. If not, I'd insist on a refund, even if it cost me some money to do so. After all she's driving a free rental now, and it is reasonable to reimburse the dealer for that cost. If the dealer checks out OK with the BBB, I'd still ask for a refund. Your fiance has been traumatized by her delivery day experience and will never ever trust that car. Any little squeak or lurch will have her heart in her mouth, and she'll cringe every time she drives it. If the dealer refuses a refund, ask if they'll give you credit toward something else on the lot. Here's where your trip to the library could pay off. See if they have something with good CR ratings, and ask for a free CarFax report. I also agree with others that a clean CarFAX is no guarantee, but if something obvious shows up you have a chance to pass. If you get that far, the dealer should be willing to bend over backwards to make you a great deal. Go armed with prices from Cars.com and other on line sites, and don't forget to check Craig's List to see what's on the market locally. Keep in mind that for sale prices are often 30% above what dealers customarily allow on trade ins or their purchase cost on cars. Ask for, no, insist, on an extended warranty. The dealer's cost on these is almost nothing, and having one is better than nothing. Before you agree to a deal, research the warranty company on line and see if it's legit, as this is another area ripe with problems. You can do this while you have the car inspected by a trustworthy independent mechanic. If the dealer balks at any of this, make it clear that you've consulted an attorney, and while you'd hate to initiate legal action, you'll do so without hesitation if you feel you're being treated unfairly or dishonestly.

Also keep in mind that by the time a car gets onto a dealership lot it's already been rejected by many other potential buyers, and unless that dealership has a means to effect repairs at rock bottom prices, chances are those problems are going to be coming to the new owner as part of the deal.

I hope the situation works out for you, but honestly I'm not optimistic. It all hinges on the integrity of the used car dealer, and they haven't earned their notorious reputation by being angels.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #57  
I have a hard time believing that an anti knock sensor would put a car into limp home mode.
els.

It can actually depending on manufacturer. The pcm will advance timing as much as possible until this sensor picks up a noise or pulse of pinging and signal the computer to stop timing advance. If nothing is functioning to give a stop signal to the advance, some cars can go into limp mode. Others may lose power at hwy speeds or just not "feel" right. Good ole computers in cars.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #58  
My 2002 VW Diesel Jetta has over 381,000 kilometres on it or about 238,000 miles for those living in the US of A. Other than normal maintence or repairs expected for the year and mileage is has been an outstanding vehicle. It is funny to read from a couple of posters that seem to imply that there are no good VW's on the road. Heck, I see them all the time. There are millions of VW's on the road.

NEWS FLASH

Volkswagen AG surpassed Toyota Motor Corp. to become the biggest automaker by deliveries in the first half, putting the company on track to capture the worldwide sales crown three years ahead of its target.

True, my comments are anecdotal. But I will tell you that I have advised two colleagues not to buy VW, and - guess what? Both had trouble and got them gone immediately. And then there's my boss' Audi - what a POS. Drive what you like and so will I. Glad your vee-dub is treating you well.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #59  
//
I have a hard time believing that an anti knock sensor would put a car into limp home mode. ****** the timing, yes. You might notice some sluggishness, but not the symptoms you're experiencing. //
VW's suck but we had a Mass Airflow Sensor fail on a Nissan and it went into Limp mode. At least you could tell from the dash display. It was fixed in an hour (replaced under warranty) and never recurred.

We have Fords and Chevys in our fleet and they do just as well as the Hondas and Subarus.
 
   / Ok all you seasoned car hagglers, what should we do here? #60  
I asked a German engineer once why they had so much trouble with electronics and he said, "I don't understand it either, we hired the best British electronics engineers to teach us."

Another friend says, "The Germans don't trust electrons: they can't see them and they don't weigh anything."

And they can't add 3 more gizmos to them to wind up with the same function.

Harry K
 

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