Old photo with a plane crash

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A Brit co-worker identified the tractor as a Fordson Super Major.

We asked about the plane and he responded with the tractor.

Paul


Yep, that name jarred my memory. I'm thinking you are right.
 
   / Old photo with a plane crash #42  
ford dextra
 
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No doubt that the story is true, but the "photo" was probably created. Back in the day, it wasn't done with PS, but was an art perfected in the darkroom. Burning, dodging, double exposure etc.

Look at the pictures that Ansel Adams took of Yosemite. While he was a great photographer, his true expertise was in the darkroom. Read up on how many times and ways he "adjusted" his photos to get the look he wanted.
 
   / Old photo with a plane crash #45  
I have no doubt of the reality of the plane crashing. I have no doubt of the reality of the tractor mowing. I struggle greatly with those two things happening in conjunction with one another and being photographed as such. I have two issues that my pea size brain can't get around.

First, the odds of the camera being in exactly the correct position to catch the tractor perfectly in the frame and have the plane fly into the pic at exactly the correct time to correspond with the click of the shutter. I don't think it humanly possible to see what's about to happen, and hold the camera steady at a horizontal position and click the shutter when the plane appeared....

Second, the odds of having the shutter speed correctly set, if the camera even had adjustable shutter speed, to catch the plane sharply flying at what had to be an incredible speed while photographing a tractor....

But being from Missouri, I'll let someone show me. :)

No doubt that the story is true, but the "photo" was probably created. Back in the day, it wasn't done with PS, but was an art perfected in the darkroom. Burning, dodging, double exposure etc.

Look at the pictures that Ansel Adams took of Yosemite. While he was a great photographer, his true expertise was in the darkroom. Read up on how many times and ways he "adjusted" his photos to get the look he wanted.

I think that your both looking at this with the perspective that someone was taking a picture of a tractor and a jet showed up. The more likely scenario is that the jet was flying around, a journalist or a local went out to an open field by the airport to take pictures of it. **** broke loose and the photographer got the shot of a lifetime.

I did the same thing as a teen. Whenever the Blue Angles or Thunderbirds came to the local air show they would always go out and practice in the days leading up to the show. I'd follow them around because they would always perform the same pattern a number of times. Thankfully I never witnessed anything like this.

A high shutter speed required to capture the plane (without blurring) would equal a low depth of focus. You can't have both. To have the the tractor and plane in such focus doesn't make sense. Plus the scale seems off, it seems that for the plane to be that size in the frame it would have to be fireball close to the tractor and photographer.
You forgot about film speed. That is the third piece of the equation. 800 or 1600 speed film is a lot more sensitive to light and would allow you to use a high shutter speed with a decent aperture on a sunny day.

I just went through my pics. I took this picture with ISO-200 film speed, 1/1000 shutter and f/4.0 aperture. So you could capture this same stop action image at f/8.0 using ISO-800 film and get a adequate depth of field.

IMG_9093.jpg

I personally think that it is legit. Is it possible that it is manipulated, sure. If the photographer performed some darkroom magic then they were an absolute expert.
 
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Your pic is very cool but I can't see the tractor. You missed. :)
 
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Steve, ever wonder why you even bother researching things and posting your results?

Is there a smiley in here for talking to a brick wall??

:mur:
 
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Linked articles said the photographer went specifically to photograph that plane, as his neighbor was scheduled to be flying it. He was ready for it to land normally.

Also, the plane wasn't diving but was tumbling, and hit the ground upside down. The pilot isn't ahead but is far behind. He fell on one of the greenhouses in the background, in the second row, behind the visible first row.

Both the photographer and the tractor driver say the photo is as it happened. Photo analysts at the time could detect no tampering with the photo.

Bruce
 
   / Old photo with a plane crash #49  
Linked articles said the photographer went specifically to photograph that plane, as his neighbor was scheduled to be flying it. He was ready for it to land normally.

Also, the plane wasn't diving but was tumbling, and hit the ground upside down. The pilot isn't ahead but is far behind. He fell on one of the greenhouses in the background, in the second row, behind the visible first row.

Both the photographer and the tractor driver say the photo is as it happened. Photo analysts at the time could detect no tampering with the photo.

Bruce

While your analysis is spot on, and everything checks..there is that alternate reality thing I mentioned earlier. People believe what ever they want to believe. Perception IS reality. "I reject your reality and substitute my own"



Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined. In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still broader definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist.
 
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While your analysis is spot on, and everything checks..there is that alternate reality thing I mentioned earlier. People believe what ever they want to believe. Perception IS reality. "I reject your reality and substitute my own"



Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined. In a wider definition, reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still broader definition includes everything that has existed, exists, or will exist.

I agree. Whether or not the picture is reality isn't my struggle. My struggle is being able to logically accept it as reality.

No argument on my part. Just offering my mental capabilities when viewing it. :)
 

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