Older large tractors

   / Older large tractors #61  
It seems D7E has no fear for old iron, unlike most contributors to this thread... ;)

My brother is self employed and part time in the landscaping and ag contracting business. He uses a 1976 Zetor 6718, few years ago we put the cab up 2 inch forward and 2 inch higher, to accomodate 16.9-34 boots. It has done 10.300 hrs and the piston rings are giving up. we will rebuild the motor this winter, cost about 500 euro for parts (you can get them directly from the subcontractors in Slovakia and Czechia while keeping the profits of the parts distribution, importer and dealer, and the bank they pay interest to for the value of what's in their parts warehouse, in your pocket)
This tractor, with jut a little smoke and a bit more than its original 68 hp, is getting used quite well, e.g. pulling 15 ton dumpwagons, 4m3 bottomless scrapers and 2.30 meter heavy duty rotavators.
It isnt used every day, and a MFWD Zetor, lets say a 7745 or 9145, will sell for 7 to 9000 Euro where the 6718 will only sell for 2000.

running older machinery isnt a problem at all, as long as you choose a reliable model, and make sure you service or replace on time. Just spend a few $$$ for preventive replacement and stay ahead of time, and you'll get good service for little cost. The wrenching hours are just a bonus to kill the time on long winter evenings, wrenching to kill the time is soooo relaxing, totally different than wrenching in peak season trying to keep ahead of the spring.


I thought the big sales boom for Versatile was because they could offer tractors made of readily available industrial and truck components, where Deere used expensive limited edition parts, beefed up 2wd production model based parts.
And next to that, the beefy build style of the Steigers and Versatiles is so much different to the 90's mfwd stuff, when most manufacturers only increased turbo pressure to keep in the race.

compaction isnt an issue with a smaller MFWD on 24.5R 32 tires, most MFWD's have a totally different weight distribution and only have this size of tires on the rear axle. The new Fendt 936 has less weight than a Russian Kirovets K701 but the Vets is able to run at lower tire pressure because it has 4 big 30,5x32 tires instead of 2 big ones and 2 medium ones...
Those 360 hp Fendts dont stay anywhere near an older artic in the field. They are only usefull when used as a power pack for a forest mulcher or stump grinder.
 
   / Older large tractors #62  
Same reason you can buy a 110 hp ford 8000 for the same price as a ford 8n in many areas... You cant run a 8000# tractor around on 2 ac...

Soundguy

Hysyde said:
Why does it seem 20 - 30 year old (maybe even newer?) big horspower, big sized articulate tractors are so relatively inexpensive?

Is it because they were produced in low volumes and are expensive and difficult to find and replace parts?

Or is it a just a demand thing? That they are just too big and cumbersome for so many out there that the demand is quite low? Usually anybody who needs such a big machine wil own newer more reliable machinery.
 
   / Older large tractors #63  
Cavitation is a problem with all wet diesels said:
Digging up old bones here but we have had over 20 fords many of them tw's ,
only ever having one go pourous ( 6610 ) . Strangeley the only tractor we ever bought new most of them bought with 5000-7000 hours on the clock
and all (cheap?) from auctions .and still have a TW20 with 10'000 hrs and only had hydraulic work and 1 clutch .
Many JD,MFand IH tractors as well , I think we rebuilt more JD engines than any other combined with the crap hydraulics on 30-50 series deeres these were the unreliable ones ,
But none compare to the reliability of the 2 versatiles with cummins L10 and 855 turbo,even the old steiger with 3208 CAT has been reasonable , If we were 'nt row cropping we would only have artics.
 
   / Older large tractors #64  
Hysyde said:
Why does it seem 20 - 30 year old (maybe even newer?) big horspower, big sized articulate tractors are so relatively inexpensive?

Is it because they were produced in low volumes and are expensive and difficult to find and replace parts?

Or is it a just a demand thing? That they are just too big and cumbersome for so many out there that the demand is quite low? Usually anybody who needs such a big machine wil own newer more reliable machinery.

There just weren't many of these beasts built.

For example, the Steiger brothers built their first articulated tractor in the winter of 1957-58 at their farm in Red Lake Falls, MN. By the time they moved their operation to Fargo, ND in 1969, only 126 Steigers had been built.

I would guess that between 1969 and Nov 1986 when J.I. Case bought Steiger only a few thousand Steigers were built. Anybody out there have the exact numbers?

Steiger also built the AC-440 (1972-75), the Ford FW series (1977-85) and the IH 66 and 86 series (1973-81) at Fargo. Some Steigers were painted orange and sold in Canada by C.C.I (1970-76).
 
   / Older large tractors #65  
flusher said:
There just weren't many of these beasts built.

For example, the Steiger brothers built their first articulated tractor in the winter of 1957-58 at their farm in Red Lake Falls, MN. By the time they moved their operation to Fargo, ND in 1969, only 126 Steigers had been built.

I would guess that between 1969 and Nov 1986 when J.I. Case bought Steiger only a few thousand Steigers were built. Anybody out there have the exact numbers?

Steiger also built the AC-440 (1972-75), the Ford FW series (1977-85) and the IH 66 and 86 series (1973-81) at Fargo. Some Steigers were painted orange and sold in Canada by C.C.I (1970-76).


Oops. My production estimate was way low.

Googled

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and found that Steiger produced it's 10,000th tractor in 1980.
 

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