Opinions on Loaders, Curved vs Coventional

[Doc_Bob]

Straight? Curved? After you learn how to use them, makes no difference.
Bob

 

[rback33]

A curved boom loader bucket must to be out futher to have the same reach as a conventional, it has a lower arch, and if the bucket were closer, it would not reach into a truck as well. Which brings up, how many people that buy these tractors use them for loading into a truck, feed bunker, etc., as a farm or construction tractor would.
Engineers are struggling with this. They have always tried to keep the bucket in as close to the front axles, to protect the front axles and keep more weight to the rear, yet design it when lifted, will have adequit, height and reach, hense the dog leg loader. Their biggest change has been the
mid-mount loader, it's been designed, where it fits lower on the tractor, but has greater lift height, and reach capabilites than the older 4 point/ pusher type. For consumers using it for themselves, they may like the appearance of the curved boom, the visability, and may work better for them.
We have to remember it was New Holland that started this with their Boomer, they had, to design something to work with their super steer axle, so the bucket Had to be out futher.
It also cost less to manufacture a curved boom loader.

I agree with ALMOST all of this. Not sure I can buy into the last sentence. I think they CAN be cheaper, if you have the tooling and equipment to do it... Tooling costs make it more difficult to do on larger models. The volume may not be there to offset the costs.

 

[rback33]

Straight? Curved? After you learn how to use them, makes no difference.
Bob

No argument about THAT statement...

 

[Ledgemere Farm]

supposedly, curved loaders will take more punishment, but like others have said, they stick out further in front of the tractor, something I am not particularly fond of for two reasons: 1). Makes the tractor longer and 2). you need more ballast. That said, I really admire the fit and finish of the CNH loader. It is very well made in my opinion.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Straight? Curved? After you learn how to use them, makes no difference.
Bob

No argument about THAT statement...

Well I will suggest that you are both wrong. So I guess I will present an arguement.

In any industrial equipment, the equipment that gets use most is the equipment that is the most efficient to use. Efficient in terms of speed to operate, safety, easy of use, longevity, operator comfort, etc.

Two loaders, side by side, where one offers greater visibility, other things being equal (or close enough to equal) will prove that the unit with greater visibility is faster to use, easier to use accurately and therefore more efficient to use. I agree that you can get used to anything you have, but I disagree that it makes no difference. Operating both loaders on my property, and also operating articulated and standard lifts, etc, I know what I use and I know what others prefer to use. I know what gets more work done faster.

Again, you can get used to just about anything, but to suggest that it is essentially the same as something else, or that it makes no difference between the two, because, in the end, it gets the same job done is erroneous. That would be like suggesting that a shovel and a bucket are the same as a FEL because both will move dirt.

I've posted the photos many times, but I'd suggest that the more you can see, the easier it is to be accurate in your work. The easier it is to be accurate, the faster and safer the work will get done.

 

[rback33]

Well I will suggest that you are both wrong. So I guess I will present an arguement.

In any industrial equipment, the equipment that gets use most is the equipment that is the most efficient to use. Efficient in terms of speed to operate, safety, easy of use, longevity, operator comfort, etc.

Two loaders, side by side, where one offers greater visibility, other things being equal (or close enough to equal) will prove that the unit with greater visibility is faster to use, easier to use accurately and therefore more efficient to use. I agree that you can get used to anything you have, but I disagree that it makes no difference. Operating both loaders on my property, and also operating articulated and standard lifts, etc, I know what I use and I know what others prefer to use. I know what gets more work done faster.

Again, you can get used to just about anything, but to suggest that it is essentially the same as something else, or that it makes no difference between the two, because, in the end, it gets the same job done is erroneous. That would be like suggesting that a shovel and a bucket are the same as a FEL because both will move dirt.

I've posted the photos many times, but I'd suggest that the more you can see, the easier it is to be accurate in your work. The easier it is to be accurate, the faster and safer the work will get done.

I will still side with Doc, in that, once you learn to use something effectively and efficiently, there will be almost no time difference between a curved arm vs dog leg loader.... all other things being 100% equal.... but they are not...I could muddy the waters, but I'll leave that out for now...

 

[Bob_Skurka]

I will still side with Doc, in that, once you learn to use something effectively and efficiently, there will be almost no time difference between a curved arm vs dog leg loader.... all other things being 100% equal.... but they are not...I could muddy the waters, but I'll leave that out for now...

You are wrong. I am right. Ha Ha Ha.

 

[rback33]

You are wrong. I am right. Ha Ha Ha.

And then you should see that Deutz loader on a Boomer SS.... I think it looks WAY better than the OE loader.

 

[Dusty]

Tractor arms should be function-able, not stylish. If they are designed to be stylish, they might just skimp on the function side and use a less gauge of steel to make the stamping. Less likely to happen with welded tube stock. The slanted arms that I have seen have all been U shaped stamping welded together. Time will tell as to the quality of the manufacturing process. If it is a reliable tractor company that makes the arms and properly designs, tests, and implements a good quality control department, there should be no problem. Broken loader arms is nothing that any tractor owner would look forward to repairing.
Dusty

 

[Turbys_1700]

I wish that I could get one of the newer NH loaders on my older 1720. They are really functional and great looking. I guess I'm stuck with the old but reliable 7308 or go with Bush Hog, Woods, or Westendoff. I really like some of the functionality of the Westendorf line. I wish they had a dealer closer to me.