Options instead of PRINCE PTO pump

dourobob · Dec 15, 2009

Hi Folks

I have been reading voraciously over the past few weeks and recently came across a post where a person used a hydraulic pump on the PTO of their tractor that they claimed was much less expensive than a comparable Prince PTO Hydraulic Pump.

In my project I am wanting to convert a rear PTO snowblower to a FEL mounted blower and I have had some great advice for many folks here in this thread http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/157884-how-do-i-make-3-a.html.

It seems I need a pump with 20+GPM at 540 RPM with 2200 PSI

The advice in the discussion noted above also included the following suggestion for an appropriate pump, motor and tank combination:
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Here's a pump and motor combo that is in the right neighborhood for your tractor PTO HP (35).

PTO pump https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic

PTO spline shaft motor (allows you to use standard PTO drive shaft). https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic

Recommended reservoir size is 1 gal per 1 gpm. Running at around 21 gpm this 25 gal reservoir might be a good choice.
https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic

Total cost so far for pump, motor and tank is $965. You'll need hoses and fittings and steel to fabricate brackets to hook it all up. You're probably looking at something around $1200 to $1500.
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My challenge is to find a hydraulic pump and motor combination that will work just as well for less money.

Any ideas, suggestions, recommendations.

Thanks
Bob

kennyd · Dec 15, 2009

I do not believe you will do it for less, I also think the $1200-$1500 price is to low.

Just price some hose and connectors capable of handling 25 GPM...If it was cheap, everybody would do it!

skidsteer.ca · Dec 23, 2009

dourobob said:
Hi Folks

I have been reading voraciously over the past few weeks and recently came across a post where a person used a hydraulic pump on the PTO of their tractor that they claimed was much less expensive than a comparable Prince PTO Hydraulic Pump.

In my project I am wanting to convert a rear PTO snowblower to a FEL mounted blower and I have had some great advice for many folks here in this thread http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/157884-how-do-i-make-3-a.html.

It seems I need a pump with 20+GPM at 540 RPM with 2200 PSI

The advice in the discussion noted above also included the following suggestion for an appropriate pump, motor and tank combination:
______________________
Here's a pump and motor combo that is in the right neighborhood for your tractor PTO HP (35).

PTO pump https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic

PTO spline shaft motor (allows you to use standard PTO drive shaft). https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic

Recommended reservoir size is 1 gal per 1 gpm. Running at around 21 gpm this 25 gal reservoir might be a good choice.
https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic

Total cost so far for pump, motor and tank is $965. You'll need hoses and fittings and steel to fabricate brackets to hook it all up. You're probably looking at something around $1200 to $1500.
______________________________________________

My challenge is to find a hydraulic pump and motor combination that will work just as well for less money.

Any ideas, suggestions, recommendations.

Thanks
Bob

I don't know of any other North American manufacturers that would be less then Prince.
Unless you can source some used parts and depending on budget constraints actual savings that may on may not be a good option. New is always moreof course, but then youknow the parts are not worn out either. Almost have to pull them apart and look.

You might find something though. Keep digging.
Ken

boughtaJD · Dec 23, 2009

Chief makes a 21GPM PTO pump that baileynet has for $325. The same size prince pump goes for $495 so a there's a little savings.

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dourobob · Jan 6, 2010

boughtaJD said:
Chief makes a 21GPM PTO pump that baileynet has for $325. The same size prince pump goes for $495 so a there's a little savings.
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This is a very interesting piece of info and I did check out the link. On the web site it states "We are a wholesale supplier. As such, we sell only to recognized businesses with federal tax identification numbers. "
I sent an email regarding buying directly and shipping to Canada but no reply.

Has anyone had experience with CHIEF PTO Pumps?
How do they stack up to comparable PRINCE pumps?
Is this another "you get what you pay for" lesson in the making?

Is anyone able to identify another supplier of CHIEF PTO pumps in Canada or the USA?

Thanks
Bob

J_J · Jan 7, 2010

dourobob ,

Have you considered these pumps. Clutch pump. 12 v activated. 20 GPM @ 2200 psi.

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2252010706430743&item=9-1738 &catname=hydraulic

How much HP do you have?

dourobob · Jan 7, 2010

J_J said:
dourobob ,
Have you considered these pumps. Clutch pump. 12 v activated. 20 GPM @ 2200 psi.
https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2252010706430743&item=9-1738 &catname=hydraulic
How much HP do you have?

Hi J_J
Thanks for the link - unfortunately the message was "Sorry ... that item: 9-1738 has been discontinued or is not offered on the web. Feel free to call 1-800-488-3407, if you would like more assistance."

I did look at a this one https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2252010706430743&item=9-1738&catname=hydraulic and this one https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2252010706430743&item=9-1738-P&catname=hydraulic

Once again I must display my hydraulic ignorance because I am not sure how this might work.
Will I still need a reservoir and a Hydraulic motor to run the snowblower mounted on my FEL?
Does the 12 V simply replce the PTO in powering the pump.

My tractor is 35 HP at the PTO.

Thanks for your comments
Bob

J_J · Jan 7, 2010

A 20 GPM pump @ 2200 psi. needs 30 HP to run it at max. Theoretically, you would need a 20 gal tank for the pump at min.

aczlan · Jan 7, 2010

dourobob said:
Hi J_J
Thanks for the link - unfortunately the message was "Sorry ... that item: 9-1738 has been discontinued or is not offered on the web. Feel free to call 1-800-488-3407, if you would like more assistance."

Try this link: https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2252010706430743&item=9-1738

Aaron Z

kenstrac · Jan 7, 2010

I don't know how much you can do on your own,but if you can put the pump on the front of the engine,you would still have the use of the PTO.
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